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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5016 |
Settle down guys. The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| JohnS Guru  Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 3659 |
I'd like to mention "netiquette". Work on the basis that I wasn't, for example, attacking grogster (why on earth would I???). Read posts on the basis of netiquette. It's old-fashioned but still applies. John |
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| viscomjim Guru Joined: 08/01/2014 Location: United StatesPosts: 925 |
My sister just bought a new suv and i can't believe the gas mileage she is getting... it's really something ooops, wrong thread... carry on |
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BobD Guru Joined: 07/12/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 935 |
Jim just ask her to look at this thread. There is plenty of gas here. Bob |
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Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9063 |
Crikey - so many messages in my email inbox this morning!!! I am very sorry for all the trouble this thread seems to have caused. 
I need to tell you all at this point, that I never EVER planned to start any kind of flame-war thing here. I WAS genuinely interested in just WHY C seemed to be so common a language to so many things these days - including Cfunctions on the MM now. In hindsight, perhaps I should have thought of that, but I figured that so many of you gurus use C for all sorts of things, that I might be able to find out WHY you chose C over something else(and why it seems to be the native language for MOST MCU's after something like MMBASIC or PICAXE-BASIC), without starting a fire here. I do remember how back a few years ago, PIC chips had to be programmed in native assembly language(as Dylan mentioned on page 1), which made them unattractive to just about all but the experts, cos they were so hard to program back then. Again - NOT starting anything, only stating that I remember those days of PIC, and personally, I would not touch them then for that exact reason. I still have questions regarding C, but perhaps we should leave it here as far as this thread is concerned. Perhaps Gizmo could PM me(or post here if he wants to) about what he would like to do, as administrator. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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G8JCF Guru Joined: 15/05/2014 Location: United KingdomPosts: 676 |
Netiquette, defined by the socially inept for the socially inept - "The Big Bang Theory" on TV says it all ! ( it's dead funny mind you  )
The only Konstant is Change |
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| akashh Senior Member  Joined: 19/01/2014 Location: IndiaPosts: 115 |
I started off programming in BASIC, and the moved to pascal. I believed Pascal was the solution to any problem and I hated c, because of all the pointers. Basically, I had just gotten used to a certain way of coding and didn't want to change. Then when I started getting into microcontroller programming in the early 2000s I was forced to either learn c or assembly and I chose C. Turns out it is actually pretty easy once you get your head around a few basic concepts - PHP and Java all share similarities in syntax so programming any of those languages becomes easier than if I would jump in straight from basic or pascal. Are there pitfalls? Sure. But with today's tools and great debuggers it is usually pretty trivial to fix bugs once you have identified them. I guess all I am trying to say here is that most people will stick to the language they are comfortable with if it gets the job done, and tend to quip about other languages as not being right or too complex or too high or low level (I did this myself) but at the end of the day it's just whatever works for you. I have seen people make drawings and architectural designs in Excel because they were not willing to learn a different tool - it worked for them - and that's all that mattered to them. |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9063 |
Well said.  Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 3659 |
Up to you but for me you're welcome to ask and if I can I'll have a go at answering. If you read my first post in the thread with Pascal replaced by (say) Algol or Fortran or language XXX maybe that's best. The whole of the rest of the post is as far as possible about C not language XXX. John |
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kiiid Guru Joined: 11/05/2013 Location: United KingdomPosts: 671 |
What is the point of this dispute at all (and the initial question by some extent)? The programming language is just a tool for expressing what you want to do. Just like the human languages, it goes the same. And it doesn't matter what language you are saying it in, it only matters what you are saying. There is a programming language for every taste or colour of socks these days. http://rittle.org -------------- |
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| Dylan Regular Member  Joined: 17/06/2013 Location: NetherlandsPosts: 81 |
I think that JohnS unwittingly touched some raw nerves, and has (seemingly) now realised that mixing authoritatively correct statements with other that were ... rubbish ;) is not a good idea. The original question remains valid, and has been answered from various aspects. But WHY does PHP exist? |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5016 |
For the same reason classic ASP still exists, 20 years after its development and 15 years after Microsoft wanted us to migrate to the new ASP.NET. ASP.NET required a big change in programming practices for arguably no gain. Thus many programmers, me included, rejected ASP.NET and stuck to classic ASP. This forum runs classic ASP, and due to the number of sites still using classic ASP ( over 500,000,000 pages online are classic ASP ), Microsoft keep support for it on the new OS's. Its around for at least the next 5 years, but I can bet that will be extended again. But the reason for ASP and PHP, which are different languages but are used in a similar way, is they are dead easy to use, have a short development cycle, and a huge support base. The code is messy, and usually strewn throughout the web pages HTML, but it works oh so well! ASP and PHP may be old, messy and outdated, but speed of development, support and ease of use are big factors in a languages life. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| hitsware Guru Joined: 23/11/2012 Location: United StatesPosts: 535 |
Geez .................. Amazingly DOS will still boot a 'PC' |
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TassyJim Guru Joined: 07/08/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5905 |
I'm in Paris at the moment and have discovered that the locals use a different language - definitely not Basic.... I wonder if that is why they produce amazing cheeses? Viva la difference. Jim VK7JH MMedit MMBasic Help |
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| G8JCF Guru Joined: 15/05/2014 Location: United KingdomPosts: 676 |
Spring in Paris - very nice, but don't mention Australian Shiraz/Chardonnay
Hope you are having a great time Pierre The only Konstant is Change |
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Geoffg Guru Joined: 06/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 3165 |
The same applies to BASIC. Geoff Graham - http://geoffg.net |
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| WhiteWizzard Guru Joined: 05/04/2013 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2794 |
So so true. I have just picked up some old '80 Micro' computer magazines dating back to 1981/8. They are full of interesting articles and no end of BASIC code examples/listings. One article proudly announces that "Computer Home Banking has arrived" with a full code listing written obviously in BASIC.
Over the coming months I will be adapting the more 'exciting' programs from these magazines into MMBasic versions. I will start a new post when I begin this task to hopefully share some 'memories' with you . . . . WW For everything Micromite visit micromite.org Direct Email: whitewizzard@micromite.o |
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| G8JCF Guru Joined: 15/05/2014 Location: United KingdomPosts: 676 |
Hi Phil Just how/where do you find the time for everything ???!!! You and Mr Mather must hold the record for energy, and get-up-and-go
I really am envious of you both ! Take care Peter The only Konstant is Change |
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| hitsware Guru Joined: 23/11/2012 Location: United StatesPosts: 535 |
edit: Are the old Basics that different from MMBasic ? |
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