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Posted: 04 December 2017 at 9:49pm | IP Logged Quote Phil23

It was Winter, so did need to keep the fire going while tidying wires..





40 Hydraulic jacks from memory, to get things back on the level.

Not quite how it's done on reality TV.




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Nice Bearer's & Joists they used 100 years back....


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Posted: 05 December 2017 at 4:22pm | IP Logged Quote Grogster

Do you need council consent for all that?

Over here, you practically have to have $1500 consent - assuming they even issue it - for just about everything other then cutting the grass.

....and I am sure they are trying to work out how they can the people to pay resource consent for that too.....

But you most definitely have to have consent to replace the floor in a house.
....and you would NOT be allowed to just use multiple car-jacks to level the floor - that would HAVE to be done by a certified engineer, costing additional thousands...

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Posted: 05 December 2017 at 5:53pm | IP Logged Quote Phil23

Grogster wrote:
Do you need council consent for all that?
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But you most definitely have to have consent to replace the floor in a house.
....and you would NOT be allowed to just use multiple car-jacks to level the floor - that would HAVE to be done by a certified engineer, costing additional thousands...


No,
Approval not required here to change existing.

They simply leveled it with the jacks (about 60), from the lowest point,
Then removed & replaced the stumps a few at a time. (105 in total).

Floor that went back in was 22mm yellow tongue.
Floor only came out in the lower inaccessible areas at the rear, of the sloped block.

Other common practice is to rip floors out & pour a slab inside the walls & under the bottom plates.


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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 8:28am | IP Logged Quote Grogster

You Aussies are one-up on us then in that respect!

/RANT

Costs about $500 just for them to come and LOOK at what you plan to do - without issuing any consent - and that is for "Alterations to existing structure". So, no, we can't touch ANYTHING, even on pre-existing stuff, without doing the expensive consent process.

You need consent here to rip up and replace the floor, the floor joists or the piles.
....and the aforementioned certified engineers report of compliance($$$) blah, blah, blah. Generally speaking, they won't let you do work like that yourself unless you are already a certified builder, so you HAVE to pay a builder to do it for you - more $$$. Knocking out a non-structural wall or adding a door or window or something - you can get sign-off on that pretty easy, but anything structural has to be done by the trade.

It's a wonder anything gets done at all with so many pedantic bureaucratic regulations in place in the building code. Hell, our own Government was forced to publicly admit that our building code is way to convoluted and needs to be revamped to make it less complicated to get consents for things - that is not a good sign, when the Government admits something like that.....

/RANT OVER.

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 9:43am | IP Logged Quote Warpspeed

If it already exists, it would come under renovations or repair and you don't need to get approval to "fix things up".
Property taxes here are ultra low compared to the US, and the whole home ownership and property system a lot less vexatious.

On the other hand, on the vehicle scene, Hot Rodders and petrol heads in the US can get just about anything that will move road registered.
In Australia its vastly more complicated (and expensive) to get approvals for vehicle modifications, so its we Ausies that greatly envy Americans in that regard.

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 10:30am | IP Logged Quote Grogster

Same here re cars. If you make ANY change to the car other then just adding a stereo or washing the dirt off it, you have to have it re-certified - about $500 on a good day, so long as they don't find too many things they insist you change - all of which is additional to the huge re-cert fee.

It is common here for boy-racers to cut the suspension springs to lower their cars. That is totally illegal, and very dangerous so I certainly am against that. Not that unusual to see those cars with cut springs - the end of where they cut it off just sitting in the lower suspension spring cup - a decent bump or go over a dip in the road at speed..... The perfectly legal lowering kits with the correct smaller springs are usually only a few hundred dollars, but they don't want to spend the money. ....or don't have the money.

We've had more then one or two "COPS" type TV program over here where they pull over all those boy-racer cars, and inspect them - most of them fail, and 99% of the suspension mods fail cos of chopped springs. Those cars are "Red stickered" on the spot - you cannot even drive it home. It has to be collected by a truck because it is considered so unsafe for the driver and other road users. Fair enough too where cut springs are concerned. I do recall seeing one program where an inspector was checking a young guy's car, and he HAD used the proper lowering kits, and had also reduced the travel to match, and the inspector was very pleased with that, so there are some who do know how to do it right, and are prepared to spend the money, but they seem few and far between.

Oh dear....i'm ranting again......

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 4:01pm | IP Logged Quote Paul_L

Grogster wrote:
You Aussies are one-up on us then in that respect!
/RANT
.... pedantic bureaucratic regulations ....
/RANT OVER.

/RANT #1 ON

Boy oh boy did I have problems back in 2002 when I bought this house. The building codes and inspectors here are local to the town of East Fishkill, population 2300 people and 860 cows.

I found five concrete block columns in the crawl space which were supposed to be supporting a central beam, but they had settled into the mud due to inadequate footings, so there was an air space between the blocks and the beam which was bending under the load. At first they wanted me to hire a structural engineer to specify new footings, pay for a building permit and inspections, and have a contractor replace the piers and footings.

I got pissed. I asked them if engineering drawings had been filed and town inspections had been done back in 1976 when the house was built. They said yes. I asked to see the inspection reports and the drawings. They dug around in the files and produced all the old approved engineering drawings and inspection reports. I showed them photographs of the old work which was not done according to the drawings and should never have passed inspection. I pointed out that the inspector who had approved the construction was currently employed as the head of the town building inspection department. I told them that I had hired a lawyer who was going to file criminal charges against this guy for not inspecting the job in 1976, demand that the bogus certificate of occupancy of the house be revoked, demand that the town pay for a hotel room for us, and sue the town for the value of the house.

They decided that I didn't need an engineer, a permit, or any further inspections and that I could just fix the problem. I hired a mason who dug up the footings, poured bigger ones, jacked the beam up level, and installed steel lally columns. End of problem.
/RANT #1 OFF

/RANT #2 ON
A few years later I wanted to install my geothermal heat pump. Same story, they wanted engineering drawings, permits, and inspection fees.

I got pissed again. I asked them if I needed a permit to dig a hole and fill it back in again .... no .... to bury pipes in the hole and fill it in again .... only if the pipes carried potable water but not for a circulating water heat exchanger .... to hook up a freon heat pump to the buried pipes .... an inspection was needed only for the 240 volt wiring, not for the appliance. I hired a local licensed electrician to run the 240 volt line and get it inspected.
/RANT #2 OFF

Bureaucrats are the same everywhere and socialism causes them to multiply more quickly!

Paul in NY

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 4:43pm | IP Logged Quote palcal

I'll add my short bureaucratic story. I bought a new house in 1972. The council gave us 2 free trees every year when we paid our rates. 40 years later when the tree was hitting power lines coming into the house, I applied to the same council for permission to cut it down. It cost me $80 to cut down the tree that they gave me for free.
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PS: good to get off the electronics sometimes and have a bit of a rant.
Just noticed this started as a query about an amplified splitter did we digress.

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 5:03pm | IP Logged Quote Grogster

@ Paul_L - Blimy. Good you did some research and it came out in your favour. But if you didn't, you'd have coughed up the money - just cos they said you had to....

@ palcal - You're lucky. Over here we have a thing called "Resource consent" - which is totally different from Building Consent. If you want to cut down a tree on your own property that has been there more then x number of years, you have to apply for Resource consent, which involves getting your neighbours to sign off on your cutting down the tree - and that costs about $800 to get done and process - and they then publish the intention to cut down said tree on their website and if so much as ONE tree-hugger comes along and decides they like that tree - even though it is not on their property, and they might live 20 k's from where it is, they can lodge an objection, and then you can't cut down that tree - on your own property.

If you do anyway, you get a whacking great fine. Explain the f-in' logic there!

EDIT: It really DOES work that way. There was a news story lately about a tree planted on the fence-line between two properties about fifty years ago. The tree had grown to a huge size, and was actually now BLOCKING the driveway on one side of it so much so, that it was really tricky for the people living there just to get their car in and out of their drive. Council denied their request to cut down the tree. From what I remember, even the neighbours wanted it gone, but council said it was a "Significant" tree - had been there 50+ years, and that makes it all the more difficult to cut it down. I don't think it was a native tree or anything like that(not that I would care, really, but you can see why they might play that card if it was), just a plain old everyday tree. I think they took the council to the Environmental Court over it, and I think they LOST - significant trees must stay, even if they are totally blocking access. Councils.......

...and yes, we have deviated a little from the topic, but I don't care. I'm very easy with the content of threads that I start.

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 7:54pm | IP Logged Quote CaptainBoing

palcal wrote:
good to get off the electronics sometimes and have a bit of a rant.
Just noticed this started as a query about an amplified splitter did we digress.


half the reason I love this forum... so much proper wisdom... I reckon we could collectively get to the moon.
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 2:42am | IP Logged Quote lizby

In general in the U.S., you can cut trees on your property. In one community I lived in, though, there was a city official whom residents called, "The Tree Nazi". A neighbor had a tree on her property with a big limb in bad condition hanging over her house. She applied to have it removed, and was denied. A storm brought it down, damaging her roof. Did the city pay for the repairs--no.

The Tree Nazi was subsequently promoted to a position where she didn't interact with the public, and residents could again trim (and cut down) their trees.
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 8:10am | IP Logged Quote Grogster

The whole "You can't cut down that tree on your property, cos we say so" attitude of the councils here has many people hopping mad. The very idea that they can tell you what you can and can't do with trees on your own property is - to many people - insane.

PERHAPS if it was a native tree - PERHAPS, but even then I am still on the side of those that want it gone if it is on their property.

But a lot of the time, the tree is NOT a native tree, just a plain old tree, and they still say you can't touch it - on your own property.

Now, trees that are part of a public park or something - that is where the Resource Consent process could work well, as it would be the will of the people as to weather those trees go or stay, but when it is a tree on your own flippin' property....

Just as a finishing comment to the tree thing here, I must state at this point that most people are aware of how dumb this regulation is, and they just cut down the tree without telling the council they are going to do it - and fair enough, if you ask me.
See, the thing is, that in order for the council to fine you or do anything about it, they have to have a case-file about that tree, and if you DON'T talk to them about it first, they don't have a case file, so can't do anything about it themselves. The process IS complaints driven, so if your neighbour complained to the council while you were cutting down said tree, you could still be in hot water. Thankfully, where overgrown trees in residential situations are concerned, MOST neighbours want rid of the bloody thing too, so more often then not, it is never a problem so long as you are on good terms with your neighbours.

Trees, trees, trees, rant, rant, rant...... Sorry.

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