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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 9:52am | IP Logged Quote Alastair

@G I would suggest taking a few more of the pink pills and a good lie down.

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Yes, you're probably right.

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We've got some native trees which are worth saving, notably the American Elm. Unfortunately the Dutch Elm Disease disagrees.

Search Google for central park elms and click on images.

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A Hobart resident was fined $200,000 for cutting down a couple of listed trees (and the house beside them)HE also covered the neighbours with asbestos dust while doing it.

The neighbours told him to stop.
The council told him to stop
The police told him to stop.

The courts told him to pay up.


Speaking of foundations, my house sits in loose rocks placed directly on the ground. No footings or any of that fancy modern stuff.
It has lasted 110 years so far but any additions I do, have to comply with the new regs.

The slop across the lounge room floor isn't too bad...

Jim

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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 3:49pm | IP Logged Quote Grogster

Did he ever pay it?

I wonder sometimes, about the logic of gigantic fines.
When you are fined 200k for something like that, he probably just laughed - knowing full well they would never get it out of him.

Ultimately self-defeating to issue gigantic fines, if you ask me.

It's like people caught downloading a movie in America - they get like 500k per offence, and if they downloaded ten movies, they are gonna be hit with a five million dollar fine - that is never gonna get paid, so why even bother?(rhetorical)

I remember reading about someone in USA who had illegally downloaded about 100 movies, and was fined on each one of them, and the total fine was like fifty million dollars or something, and this guy was just you average working joe, so they are never, ever gonna get that amount of cash out of the guy, so what's the point?(rhetorical)

Now days, that is not really such an issue with the likes of Netflix offering legitimate streaming services for very little coin.

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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 6:18pm | IP Logged Quote BrianP

@Captainboing - yes let's go to the moon! But how do we get back?? (assuming we want to...)

No trees on the moon!

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TassyJim wrote:
Speaking of foundations, my house sits in loose rocks placed directly on the ground. No footings or any of that fancy modern stuff.
It has lasted 110 years so far but any additions I do, have to comply with the new regs.

The slop across the lounge room floor isn't too bad...

My house is 170+ with the same foundation (but the rocks go down about 5 feet). I try to keep the slop down, but the slope also isn't too bad. Big cracks between the floorboards, but they had good 1-inch rough-sawn pine underlayment, so not much falls through or creeps up.
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TassyJim wrote:
Speaking of foundations, my house sits in loose rocks placed directly on the ground. No footings or any of that fancy modern stuff.
It has lasted 110 years so far but any additions I do, have to comply with the new regs.

The slop across the lounge room floor isn't too bad...

Jim


Sitting on black mud here, that expands & contracts like crazy.
Walking thru the place back then involved a few leans & climbs.

Even sitting on the new stumps, there are a couple of doors where the top jam can open to almost an inch with the weather change.

Even the new foundation don't make it down to rotten rock.
Apparently that's about 25' down in this area, according to a well next door.

One of the old stumps that came out; looked good above ground level....





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Posted: 08 December 2017 at 5:33am | IP Logged Quote TassyJim

Grogster wrote:
Did he ever pay it?

I wonder sometimes, about the logic of gigantic fines.


This only just happened so I guess he will go through appeals etc.

He paid $400k for the house, planning to demolish to build 4 town houses, knowing it was listed so no-one has any sympathy for him.If he doesn't pay, he will loose the land.

I will be glad to slop across my sloping floors today. I have had my first ever stay in hospital and while the room I am in now has a nice view, even rabbits on the lawn like home, I really hope I can convince the quack that I am fit enough to go home.

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Posted: 08 December 2017 at 7:32am | IP Logged Quote Grogster

@ Phil23 - Impressive below-ground stump deterioration going on there! As you said: Looks fine above ground....

@ Jim - Ahhh, well, that changes things a little. Perhaps they WILL get that 200k out of him. I should really reword my above to something along the lines of: 'No point in issuing gigantic fines to people unless you know they have deep pockets or suitable assets that can be taken off them via the courts.' As for fining Joe Bloggs $50,000,000 for something - that makes no sense to me at all.

EDIT: You're in hospital. I hope nothing serious. Get well soon.

This thread has morphed into a very interesting general discussion.
I don't mind. It's all interesting. Keep posting.

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Posted: 08 December 2017 at 9:16am | IP Logged Quote BrianP

We have a "floating" concrete slab here with 2 levels laid on a hillside (clay on gravel). And does it float! Doors binding (or gaps) based on seasonal conditions. The 2 levels "float" at different rates/amounts, which does wonders for the interfaces between the levels.

This was the way to go naively back in the 1970s, but I wouldn't do it again. (Hopefully I won't have to...).

We are about 110ft. (in the old jargon)above sea level so I guess I don't have to worry too much about global warming

Our local council is not as feral as NZ it seems (at the moment) about alterations, trees etc. but there is a distinct leaning towards more power for the bureaucrats.

We are located in South Gippsland, Vic. in OZ (the most southerly town in mainland OZ - can almost see Tassie Jim's home country from the top of Wilson's Promontory.

I love threads that morph - it provides a refreshing look at the wider world while keeping the base subject alive.

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Posted: 08 December 2017 at 9:21am | IP Logged Quote Grogster

Brian wrote:
...but there is a distinct leaning towards more power for the bureaucrats.


Whatever you do, DON'T let them have it. Once they have any kind of power, they wield it like a axe, and it is exceedingly difficult to get them to relinquish that power once you have let them have it in the first place. The world is over-regulated as it is, IMHO.....

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