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Posted: 07 August 2018 at 1:03pm | IP Logged Quote JackRabbit

I'm interested in running PC's 24x7 for data collection and gave W10 a solid try but finally dumped it.

You can tame the W10 MS forced re-boots after the MS forced updates by using Group Policy to set active hours and then turn off "auto-restart for updates during active hours" and "no auto-restart with logged on users for scheduled automatic updates installations." to give you control over when it re-boots.

If you have Home the Group Policy Editor is disabled by default but can be enabled easily.


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Posted: 07 August 2018 at 1:09pm | IP Logged Quote Grogster

I am using W10 Home x64.

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Posted: 11 August 2018 at 12:03am | IP Logged Quote WhiteWizzard

Grogster wrote:
I used a 240GB Apacer SSD.


Hi G,

If you haven't done so already, I would strongly advise 'tweaking' Windows for use with an SSD.

Literally spent the last 24hours building a replacement Windows Development box due to my 'old' SSD failing spectacularly. I hadn't fully set Windows to minimise write cycles to the SSD so within 3yrs my SSD was virtually 'killed'.

Speed, quietness, and reduced temp were the initial reasons I installed it. Sounds like you have a great machine there after all your earlier rants about W10

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Posted: 11 August 2018 at 9:33am | IP Logged Quote Grogster

I fully expected that W10 would already be fully SSD-aware, and would configure itself to make best use of an SSD without my needing to configure it as such - I will now investigate this a little more. All parts were brand new, including the SSD, so it has not been stressed much - yet - so I will take a deeper look at this.

My W10 rants were just that - rants. To be fair to W10 retrospectively, perhaps I was being a LITTLE unfair, as on any NEW hardware, I have found W10 runs great. Even better when you install things like Classic Shell and turn off all the eye candy as mentioned in page one of this thread. It is easily as fast and stable as my old W8 box was.

However, the same CANNOT be said of many machines I had to try to fix up for clients, who had had their W7 or W8 auto-updated to W10, either by choice or not, as it would seem many, many of the slightly older machines just could not really cope with W10, and it turned those previously OK machines, back in to W95 machines speed wise!

Like, many laptops that updated only had 2GB of RAM and a 5400RPM HDD in them. They ran W7 OK, albeit a little slowly. But put W10 on those machines, and they were like snails speed wise - REALLY bad performers.

Anyway, it is fabulous to see you back on the forums WW. I hope everything is OK with you.

This page shows some useful tools, so I have applied most of those that W10 would let me do.

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Posted: 11 August 2018 at 11:38am | IP Logged Quote PeterB

As I said before, Grogster, you do come up with some lulus.

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Posted: 15 August 2018 at 10:14am | IP Logged Quote BrianP

Hi Grogs

Haven't posted for a while - still doing rehab after a forced hip replacement. I couldn't resist after seeing you weakening with Win 10!

One thing you might like to do if you are running Win 10 v.1709 or later (use "Winver" to check) is go to "Network & Internet" in settings & in "Change Connection Properties" set your current connection to a "Metered Connection". This supposedly stops downloads of any large updates (other than "critical") & may be quite useful as you have the Home version of Win 10 & are a "Microsoft plaything" when it comes to forced updates.

The above works for both WiFi & Ethernet network connections & I've found it very useful on mission critical machines that you don't want interrupted.

You can still manually tell it to "download anyway" after you've taken a deep breath & plucked up enough courage.

Another thing - some Win 10 machines seem to have System Restore turned off by default - either after a new install or major update. It's worth checking this as not having a "go back" can bite you in very uncomfortable places.

Good luck with Win 10!

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Posted: 16 August 2018 at 4:19pm | IP Logged Quote Grogster

Oh, that's not so good.
Get well soon.

Weakening with W10, yes. There are still things I don't like about it, but then - the perfect OS is hard to find I think. MMBASIC comes close for embedded devices.

Everything is up and running fine on this W10 machine, but every now and again, I will come back to the machine, and it wants me to login again - which I do, but ALL the running applications have been closed, which is odd. I just crank them up again, but it is a pest, as I often have Opera Browser, several PDF's, Multiple PCB layout files, Word and Excel files, GFXterm and other things all open at the same time. That was one of the reasons for installing 16GB of RAM on this thing, but so far, I have not exceeded about 7.5GB with all things running, so plenty of RAM left to work in.

I have no idea why W10 is doing that. It's almost like it has had a BSOD and rebooted back to the login prompt. But I have disabled automatic reboot on BSOD, so if that HAD happened, I would expect to be greeted with some kind of BSOD message.

At this point in time, I am putting it down to the forced W10 updates. Many of them require a restart, and if you DON'T cancel that within 60 seconds or so, then the machine just reboots and sits waiting at the login screen. That's my guess anyway.

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Posted: 16 August 2018 at 4:23pm | IP Logged Quote MicroBlocks

you can check the logs to find out what happened

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Posted: 16 August 2018 at 4:28pm | IP Logged Quote Grogster

Where do I find them, MB?

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Posted: 17 August 2018 at 6:22am | IP Logged Quote Paul_L

Grogs -- upgrade to Pro if you can! It enables you to delay the forced updates for a few weeks or months. You can also tell W10 that you are using a metered internet connection and it won't try to download and install big updates. I turn off the wifi link to the router and the ISP's modem when I'm not actually using it. That stops all communications with the mother ship.

Some of the updates actually fix bugs and security problems, but most of them just try to turn it into Bill's Jukebox or something useless. The W10 kernel is actually pretty robust.

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Posted: 17 August 2018 at 10:08am | IP Logged Quote ryanm

I wouldn't be overly concerned with SSD lifespan so long as you have purchased a decent drive. A fresh Win 10 install knows what it is doing and any drive worth it's salt implements flash wear levelling in the storage controller.

I haven't done anything on my system which gets heavy use and is running 24/7. I've been running a Samsung EVO 850 in it for at least three years, maybe closer to four. SMART value for wear levelling indicates that only 15% of the write cycles have been used.

I go through SSDs by the carton in my business. Had a few failures with lower end Kingston units, but when you're buying an SSD for $40 you get what you pay for. Don't think I've had a failure at all on a Samsung or Intel drive.
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Posted: 17 August 2018 at 12:31pm | IP Logged Quote BrianP

Grogs

This may or may not help with your logout problem - I tell my PCs to NEVER go to sleep (can still tell screen to sleep) - also try playing in the power related settings minefield - might help. (I also don't use a password.)

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<<< Below is direct copy from Microsoft so-called "answers"... >>>

Follow the steps below to remove or set the time out settings of the desktop and check if the issue is resolved.

Press Windows icon key on the keyboard, type Settings and select the top most search result.

Select Personalization and click on Lock screen from the left side panel of the window.

Click on Screen timeout settings and set the time limit or select Never from the drop down bar under Screen option.

Click on Power additional settings from the same page and select Require a password on wakeup from the left side panel of the window.

Click on Change settings that are currently unavailable from the window. Enter the administrator password if prompted.

Check the Donít require a password option under Password protection on wakeup to disable entering the password every time logging into the user profile.

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Regarding a DECENT drive...

I've had several (read 6-8) Intel 540 & S35 series SSD drives fail in as many different PCs / laptops - including would you believe BOTH DRIVES in a raid 1 setup. The problem appears to be the controller intermittently going spaso - causing all sorts of motherboard SATA controller confusion. The drive disappears from the device mapping - reboot & it's back. Or goes on a go-slow of kb/sec reading. No problem whatever with the storage space - just can't talk to it.

Intel just replaces the drives no questions asked, but with a similar unit

Fortunately I've been able (so far) to recover all data during the "good" moments.

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