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Posted: 22 October 2017 at 8:56pm | IP Logged Quote Herry

I'm on NBN FTTN 25/5 and finding it excellent at all times of the day and night, and on YouTube too... I wonder if that might be because I am politically neutral...

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Posted: 22 October 2017 at 8:59pm | IP Logged Quote palcal

Well, Win 10 I would rather not talk about. I have had to do a reinstall on the laptop I have twice. Tried Ubuntu on the box in the workshop that runs XP, a few times but could not really get into it. Downloaded a Mint ISO but it wouldn't load, so I have now ordered a Mint CD.
As for the NBN what a joke, we got fibre to the node and it made no difference. I do a speed check and it tells me I am getting 25Mbs download and 4Mbs upload but in reality when I download a large file I get more like 1 Mbs.
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Edit.... I think it probably depends where you live and how far you are from the Node. I am 60Km north of Townsville and about 500 metres from the Node.

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Posted: 22 October 2017 at 10:23pm | IP Logged Quote joebog1

Soo!!! Weekend is over. How did the Mint install go Grogster?

So Palcal is something similar to me as far as NBN goes.
Im 20 kliks west of Mareeba, I pay $79.95 a month but NOT $80, that makes it cheap.
Im on satellite I pay for 25/5. IF I stay up till 3AM I can just about get 250k down and perhaps 50k up. During the day its more like 100k down and 20k up.

My Linux updates ( I still run bleeding edge latest releases )take about 3 or 4 minutes everytime I start up, and there is something to update

. IF there is a major upgrade ( like a new release ) it takes about 6 hours, BUT new releases only happen every couple of years.
I advised Grogster to use LTS ( Long Term Support ) version of whatever he wants to play with, so he should be OK for major updates for quite a while. The next major release is due 18.04 It will have a new name and be available after April 2018. Hence the title, 18.04.
Just to show you how "soft" it is on hardware here is my system.

If you need help Grogster, just ask

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Posted: 22 October 2017 at 10:47pm | IP Logged Quote Herry

palcal wrote:
I think it probably depends where you live and how far you are from the Node. I am....bout 500 metres from the Node.


For the last lap of copper (between you and your node) VDSL is used. That protocol is much more fussy about line quality and distance than is ADSL, and 500 m is getting a bit long. As I said, I am very happy but I am about 50 m from my node. Where the NBN has fallen down is the quality of the work of some of its subbies, because those of them that care a jot are under pressure to connect a large quantity of homes. There were similar problems with subbies during the short time FTTP was being sold. So it seems to be about selection, training and supervision. I don't believe that party politics has anything to do with it. The elected govt made a choice to use the cheaper technology because it felt that the old system was far too expensive, which it was. The anti-coalition people have hijacked the debate and made it political. Supporters of all parties habitually do this. As I said, I am neutral, and interested in the technology. I don't support any of them although there are individuals I admire. Yes, FTTP would have been preferable if it could have been afforded and if there was radical overhaul of NBNCo's practices as they were then. The other factor is the bandwidth bought by RSPs, which seems in some cases to be inadequate for peak periods, now that uses that were completely inappropriate for an end to end network are now rife, especially pseudo-broadcast.

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Posted: 22 October 2017 at 11:39pm | IP Logged Quote Alastair

We built a new house south of Sydney in 2016 and moved in during November. Prior to the house being completed I signed up for a package deal - landline, mobile, nbn and Foxtel with Telstra. The Foxtel satellite dish was installed and commissioned within 2 weeks. Telstra/NBN would not connect the house until we were in residence, multiple excuses/reasons.

Once I advised them we were in residence they then said the first appointment for a technician to come and connect was 6 weeks. I complained. 6 weeks was the answer. Why I asked, the house is wired, the wire from the new node about 800m away is in place - I had watched them laying the cable and putting the box in on our daily dog walks. 6 weeks repeated.

On the agreed day a 7am phone call to say he would be late. Eventually arrived the next morning full of apologies. Nice chap and after giving him a cup of coffee and chatting he admitted that he was a subbie, too many connections being put on his list each day. He tested the performance of the copper to the house and said that even though the short run to the house was new, the cable back to the node was old copper and bad. He offered to connect us but recommended that he report the cable faulty and have it replaced as we would not get good performance and have faults. He knew the area and apparently the phone lines were all installed about 30+ years ago.

He explained that even though he is fully qualified he cannot touch the street cable without approval from NBN who now control it. They won't do it by phone it has to be done with forms.

4 weeks later another chap turned up without warning and ran a new cable back to the node in very short time. No he can't connect it to the house as that is not his job. He will advise his boss that the work is complete and ready for connection. 2 weeks later the original 'specialist' returned up and in 15 minutes we had nbn and phone. He tested the line and reckoned we could get ~50 download but that was the VDSL limit of the wire back to the node.

Since connection our service has been fault free (fingers crossed). I signed up for 25/5 which I have verified numerous times. I do see a slight slow down if I am using it around school come home time when all the kids get on line, but never serious.

So my judgement is that administration and demarcation and the limited availability of quality subbies is the problem. I was lucky to get a good local. Other folk in the same street who are connected by old copper are having problems. This will get worse as old copper does not like being disturbed.




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Posted: 23 October 2017 at 12:30am | IP Logged Quote Boppa

Herry wrote:
palcal wrote:
I think it probably depends where you live and how far you are from the Node. I am....bout 500 metres from the Node.


For the last lap of copper (between you and your node) VDSL is used. That protocol is much more fussy about line quality and distance than is ADSL, and 500 m is getting a bit long. As I said, I am very happy but I am about 50 m from my node.


Once I move to my new rural property, I'm going to be up the proverbial creek, its sat (which the locals that have it arent impressed by, both the service quality and the price), dialup or 3g/4g
3g is just too expensive to really use as a full time internet connection ($10/gig through telstra, the only provider in the area) dialup is too slow, and sat too expensive and unreliable

My new house is going to be literally right in the middle of the block, which means technically I would need two nodes on my property to reach the street!
The neighbours have adsl at the moment, but have been told its going and they will have to get sat to continue to get broadband, so they are less than impressed, after a multibillion dollar 'upgrade' they are going from $70/unlimited gig a month with at least fairly fast speeds and near enough 100% uptime to $90/70g a month with sometimes days on end outages in bad weather,or data bills in the hundreds to use the cell network- they are in the same boat in that currently they stream tv with few issues, on the new sat connection or 3g/4g that will be a thing of the past

I actually looked into the sat system many islanders use in the Pacific, its expensive to set up (several thousand) and altho it will technically work in Qld, it's not 'supposed' to be used in Oz for political reasons, and you have to have a valid address (ie a po box on an island somewhere) in order to get it, data is much cheaper than nbn sat data plans (altho still expensive, they have $50us 200gig plans or $100us/unlimited) but give speeds about halfway between nbn sat and actual cable to the house speeds

I'm wondering whats going to happen to the dialup people when the nbn finishes its rollout- are they going to be cut off too? as many are in the boat I will be- dialup is cheap but slow, cells expensive but fast
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Posted: 23 October 2017 at 12:43am | IP Logged Quote Herry

Boppa wrote:
I actually looked into the sat system many islanders use in the Pacific, its expensive to set up (several thousand) and altho it will technically work in Qld, it's not 'supposed' to be used in Oz for political reasons, and you have to have a valid address (ie a po box on an island somewhere) in order to get it...


My son has a farm in an isolated location in Southern NSW (mainland), with no phone infrastructure. Consequently he had satellite fitted no problem. Of course there is delay in initial contact (ping is large) because of the distance to and from the bird, but actual data speeds are not too bad. He frequently sends me high grade photos..
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I'm wondering whats going to happen to the dialup people when the nbn finishes its rollout- are they going to be cut off too? as many are in the boat I will be- dialup is cheap but slow, cells expensive but fast


Are you sure you mean dial-up (not ADSL)!? Didn't know there were any such connections left.

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Posted: 23 October 2017 at 1:02am | IP Logged Quote Boppa

That first quote isnt the nbn system, its in the first sentence!
The nbn is putting more people onto the existing system (sunbird?snowbird? some bird) which does have fast speeds yes, but small data allowances for many $- certainly not a direct replacement for an existing adsl system

And yes I meant dialup... 56k, 1980 tech...as many rural properties cant even get adsl at all, and nbn is disabling many existing adsl customers for some reason (something to do with the exchange I was told 2ndhand)

This is in a town that until jan of this year didnt even have 3g- they still had a 2g celltower (singular)- they now have a 3g tower (singular) that works about 5km out of town, then its back to good old uhf cbs.... (they got 2 official and two 'unofficial' repeaters)
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Posted: 23 October 2017 at 1:31am | IP Logged Quote Boppa

Interestingly, telstras coverage map shows far more coverage, yet I was there only two months ago, and according to that map i had perfect 4g coverage....
Yet I distinctly remember climbing up and standing on the doorstep of my car, holding both my 3g phone (sony) and 4g telstra dongle up as high as I could and there was no signal... In fact I didnt get signal back until I drove past the oval in town.... yet it is on telstras map (10km north/east of the town marker marked Here- full green coverage)- must have imagined it I spose...

And its all green to the north up the the next town, I suppose I MUST of had coverage driving up there too, yet I distinctly remember no signal for near on an hours drive...

Must have been imagining that too I spose....

(the ONLY part of that map that has ACTUAL coverage is the tight little circle around the marker... the rest is from personal experience- pure BS!!!)




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Posted: 23 October 2017 at 4:06am | IP Logged Quote joebog1

Oh Dear!!! what have we dun ???

Its in parliament.
Its on the news.
Its on commercial TV.

Its on thebackshed.com
Have we woken the Dragon ?.
perhaps the Tiger ?.

MORE likely stirred up the septic tank.
OR the No Bloody Network ?.

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Posted: 23 October 2017 at 4:16am | IP Logged Quote joebog1

A note!!!!

I went from dialup YES 56K, direct to satellite about 15 years ago.
I had almost no phone be it 23 Karat
2G or half a roll of toilet paper.
I watched the guys "fixing" my phone about 25 years ago.
AFTER at least 20 complaints, BUT they had to come from Brisbane, a mere 1850 kliks by the shortest route.
Lead covered, paper insulated, probably 50 pair cable. !!!

ADSL, WTF is that ???

I have paid thousands in satellite fees, sometimes I can manage to upload a few photos.

I didnt mention in my previous post that I get 40/60 download limits.
That 40 gig TOTAL, up and down between the hours of 06:00, and I think 00:00.
I get 60 gig more UP and DOWN, between 00:00 and 06:00.
I am heading for 66 years, I sleep between obout 20:00 and 05:30.
Go figure

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Move to Thailand. Problem solved. :)


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