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palcal Guru  Joined: 12/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1805 |
Has any one else had this problem. I have a HP laptop and the last 3 times I have got a Windows update the computer fails to boot. All I can get is the HP logo and then a spinning circle of dots. Sometimes I get a black screen with a cursor. I have searched the web and tried a few things but the only way I have got it to boot the last twice is to keep trying, remove the battery then try again, push keys etc. I even tried putting in my password 'blind' but that won't work. Paul. Edit. It's not my computer, other people are reporting the same problem. "It is better to be ignorant and ask a stupid question than to be plain Stupid and not ask at all" |
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| hitsware Guru Joined: 23/11/2012 Location: United StatesPosts: 535 |
Are you sure you're not jumping the gun ? Those updates / resets take a long time . |
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| palcal Guru Joined: 12/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1805 |
Well after all else has failed Iv'e decided to just leave it and see what happens. However there a a lot of instances on the web about the same problem. If it is going to take many hours Windows should advise this on the screen. Paul. "It is better to be ignorant and ask a stupid question than to be plain Stupid and not ask at all" |
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TassyJim Guru Joined: 07/08/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5923 |
I do think that they say "This might take a while" I did my neighbours Acer a couple of weeks ago. He arrived at 2pm and left me with it after a couple of hours. I went to bed at 10pm and left the laptop to it. I had to log on next morning to allow the updates to finish, just in time for the neighbour to collect it at 9am. This was for a major upgrade followed by a cumulative update and included the time taken to download the updates. To minimise the risk of problems, make sure that there are no device plugged into the USB and no memory cards. On my wife's Toshiba laptop, I gave up with the slow unreliable updates and did a fresh install of W10. It was a full wipe the disk and install from scratch. It is easy to do with W10 from a USB memory stick. This cleared out all the Toshiba drivers and applications and so far, updates have happened as that should. Jim VK7JH MMedit  MMBasic Help |
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| palcal Guru Joined: 12/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1805 |
I don't want to do a clean install as I will lose a lot of files. Paul. "It is better to be ignorant and ask a stupid question than to be plain Stupid and not ask at all" |
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9080 |
When I upgraded a W10 tablet recently, it took about three hours to complete. Admittidly, as the tablet did not have the fastest SSD in the world, that would probably have accounted for around an hour of that time to be fair. But yeah - some of those bigger W10 updates take flippin' ages. [Quote=Paul]If it is going to take many hours Windows should advise this on the screen.[/Quote] [Quote=Jim]I do think that they say "This might take a while"[/Quote] "This may take a while" is Microsoft-speak for "This will probably take hours."  Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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MicroBlocks Guru Joined: 12/05/2012 Location: ThailandPosts: 2209 |
I updated mine about 2 week ago and it took three and a half hours to complete. This was on a Surface Pro 3 i5. Not the fastest of the bunch but as this is a very large update i just started this update about 20:00 with the intention to leave it running overnight. :) Make sure you have enough disk space as lots of files are being installed and backed up. If it is defragmented even better. Microblocks. Build with logic. |
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KeepIS Guru Joined: 13/10/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1399 |
As said above, update speed depends greatly on the HDD/SSD speeds, one area that most laptops still fall short, they sell/advert big Disk drive sizes but fall short when mentioning seek times, spin times (HDD) and real world through put. Normal security updates take a few minutes, a full Windows 10 version change like Win !0.X.X to Win 10.X+1.X takes about 30 minutes on a fast SSD, 60% free space and 8GB memory and a 8 year old CPU. My smaller tablets can take a couple of hours. One thing with the later versions of WIN-10, they try to boot a number of times and IF that fails, they will either boot last known or bring up a boot/repair option. It seem to change slightly with each build and as I have not had to do that ever on this PC, it may have changed again? I do a full Disk image backup weekly, takes about 10 minutes, SSD to SSD. A restore takes about the same. My option of a HDD or SSD is not IF it FAILS, but WHEN! And you can bet it will be proportional to how important the data is on the DRIVE and how long since you backed up. It's all too hard. Mike. |
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| TassyJim Guru Joined: 07/08/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5923 |
You really should back up your data. Reinstalling applications can be a pain but loosing your data.... Disaster can happen at any time, not just during a Windows update. Imagine how I would feel if I lost the source code for MMEdit. If I lost the photos from our recent Baltic cruise the wife would make me take her there again to retake the photos! That would be better than loosing MMEdit (and other source code) Jim VK7JH MMedit  MMBasic Help |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9080 |
Exactly.  I prefer the triple-redundant-backup method for important data: one local backup(such as flash drive), one on the home server(or shared folder on another PC on your network), and one on the cloud(DropBox in my case). That way, you have two local copies, and one totally off-site copy should your house burn down or something. God-forbid, but if that did ever happen, you can still suck a backup copy from your cloud backup. If your house burns down and destroys the working copies AND your backups(because you kept them in the same house), you're stuffed. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| palcal Guru Joined: 12/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1805 |
I do back up but not often enough. I waited all morning and decided to try again. By removing the battery whilst ON and replacing the battery I finally got a "Please Wait" then a blue screen with some options. I chose to Reset Windows but keep my files, that is what is happening at the moment. Never a problem with this old box in my workshop running XP. I have an XP install disc, that might be the next thing to do with the laptop if I have any more problems. Paul. "It is better to be ignorant and ask a stupid question than to be plain Stupid and not ask at all" |
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CaptainBoing Guru Joined: 07/09/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 1993 |
@palcal I use this on my home laptops and it just backs up silently every night, but it can back up when changes occur etc... (not much point as it can replicate errors - hence backups). It is even free if you are a light user but pro is cheap. You can easily choose how it replicates (e.g. accumulate or propagate deletes) which direction etc... It gets fairly regular updates too so doesn't seem to be abandon-ware like many others. https://allwaysync.com/ It will backup up to a NAS or external disk and talks to a number of popular cloud systems - offsite backups are the best advisory. hth |
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| palcal Guru Joined: 12/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1805 |
Thanks for that. Well I have my PC back with all my files but some programs missing. I will have to re install them. Is using One Drive a good enough back up or should I do more eg. what CaptainBoing suggested. Paul. "It is better to be ignorant and ask a stupid question than to be plain Stupid and not ask at all" |
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| matherp Guru Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8604 |
NO!!!!!!. Onedrive is, in my experience, complete rubbish. I have had computers that say they are synched and yet have completely different files. I've never had any issue with dropbox - that I would trust |
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| palcal Guru Joined: 12/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1805 |
Thanks Peter will look at dropbox also. Paul. "It is better to be ignorant and ask a stupid question than to be plain Stupid and not ask at all" |
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| Phil23 Guru Joined: 27/03/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1664 |
One big boat anchor with regards to Win10 & updates is WUDO..... "Windows Update Delivery Optimisation". Basically it's like a BIT Torrent service; You source your updates from the "Internet", other PC's, both on the Local LAN & the internet, And what's even better, you get to use your bandwidth to send updates to other PCs on the Internet. It can be turned off, about 3 layers deep in the Windows update setting. Found it to be one of the sources of unwanted disk activity on this Toshiba Laptop. Phil. |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9080 |
Yes, WUDO is one of a few things about W10 that I don't like. Forced automatic updates seem like a good idea, but if misused, it could spread a global virus faster then any other virus distribution in history. IE: When a virus writer works out how to convince W10 systems that the virus is really a legitimate Windows update, W10 will automatically download and install the virus without you knowing anything at all about it. I was never really in favour of the forced automatic updates. Not because of the idea(which is fine), but that it effectively provides a back-door for virus writers sending their crud out using the method mentioned above. This hasn't happened yet, and could take a while, but the ability is there if hacked and misused by nefarious folks. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| hitsware Guru Joined: 23/11/2012 Location: United StatesPosts: 535 |
> I have an XP install disc, > that might be the next thing > to do with the laptop if I > have any more problems. Probably won't work . Microsoft was 'backwards compatible' a long time ago, but no longer . |
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| joebog1 Senior Member  Joined: 07/11/2015 Location: AustraliaPosts: 114 |
I know I am out of order !! I CANNOT understand why/how such learned gentlemen such as yourselves are still using a games platform for software generation. AS a suggestion, I would at least suggest a dual boot system with a Linux install as the other system. It has several options available: There are free clouds that will hold photos and software code! It doesnt crash !!!! I have been a Unix user since 1978, and followed along with Linux. I tried Wingdowz and lost everything many times !!!!! DO, DO regular backups if your gunna be stiff necked about it. A 1 terror ( windows) byte drive costs about $70 at the post office!. ANYTHING important should be on auto backup every five minutes! ( such as my various CAD files) Family and memories ( photos etc, Geneology ) should be on a cloud!. For those that dont want to do that, I guess I would say, "Its your own fault". With respect, and a serious wish that you at least look at Linux. Joe |
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| MicroBlocks Guru Joined: 12/05/2012 Location: ThailandPosts: 2209 |
I am a DOS (starting from 1.1) and Windows (since version 1) user and developer and i have never ever lost any of my data. As a developer i had and have a huge professional and home market available, Linux is not even 1%, so why bother. If you have lost everything many times, maybe using computers with windows is not the right thing to do with your live. :) I bet it is just experience. You are unexperienced with windows and therefore make rookie mistakes all the time while complaining why it does not work like Linux. I am the same, i mess up every single Linux install within hours if not minutes.Video card not supported, wifi not supported, etc etc. I complain why does it not just work! Backups however are not OS depended, you just have to do it all the time. Thanks to cloud solutions it is now easier then ever to have a backup at a different location. Microblocks. Build with logic. |
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