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| Posted: 10:36am 03 Dec 2019 |
That's UP TO 10% ethanol..... That is not the mainstream component of fuel by any measure. To get to 100% Biofuels has long been known to need an area of land planted equivalent to the surface area of all the ocean.
Biodiesel is the same as ethanol. Completely non viable to fuel the transport fleet with it or compete with oil. There was only ever one place that sold B100 in sydney and it was very short lived. There was also a place at Rutherford which lasted a little longer. There is NO biodiesel made commercially in oz and hasn't been for years, Most that there is comes from south africa and is often privately imported by companies for their own use.
No, that is being dismissive and avoiding admitting the problems that converting the vehicle fleet to electric holds. Sorry, but this is very typical of it's supporters. Dismiss problems and don't acknowledge or answer the difficult questions that are rightfully raised about it.
That doesen't do anything to further the acceptance of EV's, quite the opposite.
For them to make any ground, people first need to know how they are going to be implemented and how things will work. Ra Ra and tesla type BS Hype won't cut it with the majority of buyers and those that want to know.
Positive and practical are 2 entirely different things.
I'd be REALLY happy for you or anyone else to address some of the problems I have raised just than dismiss everything under the false idea that someone doesn't like something therefore their concerns are invalid because they don't support the belief that fit the desired narrative.
IF Evs are going to be so positive, please provide factual, practical and realistic FACTS as to why and pick a couple of the problems I have raised and tell me how they might be addressed.
Maybe you might like to tell me what the plan is to cover things like Recharging when On holidays at peak times like Christmas. Where is all the power going to come from and how is all the massive infrastructure going to be paid for?
That's a couple of Biggies in my mind I'd like to put to rest.
I have driven one, not a long way but for about 20 Min. Yes, it was quite fast but being over 18 there is a lot more I look for in a vehicle than just speed which will only get me fined. TBH, If I want to go fast, I'll just buy a Bike and blow every tesla out there to the weeds and save myself $120K in the process. I have a bike now that would keep up with all bar the fastest Tesla so it's not that big a deal.
I have owned fast cars, I;m more interested in practical vehicles atm.
One thing driving that and another EV ( BMW) brought to light was the overhyped smoothness of EV's. I found they are just as rough as any other car on typical roads because it is the road surface that is miles away the Biggest contributor to NVH, not the IC engine in normal cars. I also foresaw and experience the danger factor of having EV's so quiet. People walk out in front of them. This cannot be dismissed as " People should look where they are going", right now school kids are taught to look and LISTEN for cars. Certainly this will probably be something people will become more aware of in time but it's going to be another generation at least before we get used to that if we ever do.
I guess I do have the money although it would take a substantial chunk of my savings but I would not own one. Not because I don't like ev's but because of the problems with servicing and repairs. Bust a tail light in one or bend a suspension arm or something and the car is off the road for weeks... if you are lucky. Things with Parts, repairs and servicing are bad enough in the states and well documented, I can only think what they would be like here and if you are not in a capitol City.... forget it.
But performance is one aspect of one car. I'd rather have a car I can drive from Syd to Bris in the same time I can an IC with a trailer behind it. I couldn't even get to my fathers place 400KM away now in the same time in an EV bar one... maybe. NO electric will do that in the same time or near it as an IC will and probably won't for another 10 years at least.
If the main advantage of EV's is going to be speed, then they are not going to get far at all because the majority of the present EVs are not fast because for the majority of car owners, that's not important the same as performance vehicles now and always have been a small part of the automotive market.
That's one way of putting it. I'd put it more like cult status but probably the same thing in the end.
Unfortunately even with a relative monopoly, they are still going out the door backwards. When the mainstream brands start raining down their offerings next year, The red ink on the balance sheet is going to go up like like an acceleration graph for a P100 in ludicrous mode. Their has been little to no competition for Tesla till now. Wait till that changes and people whom have been brand loyal can now get an EV and stick with the brand they know. Even those not brand loyal will be able to go to a local dealership and see the offerings rather than the one showroom tesla has anywhere near them and see a couple of cars they will have to order online and likely wait months for.
Teslas are not small cars either so they have missed out on that market for a start.
Hello Hyundi, Kia, BMW, nissan.......
Agreed. and what are the advantages of those Vehicles? Cheaper running costs?
As said, that has to be amortised over the much higher purchase price of a comparable EV. No use spending 30K more than you need to in order to save $15k over the life of the vehicle.
What other practical, real world advantages do EV's have? And please dear god, don't say " They don't need oil changes" as if that is needed every day and costs $1000 at a time.
I agree but the family car is also called on to cover longer distances for holidays, family gatherings and other trips. If one needs a second car, probably an IC, this undermines the cost savings, if any, of having an EV in the first place.
I don't know of anyone now that keeps a vehicle in the shed the majority of the time and just wheels it out for holidays.
Fast charging and range become major issues for this purpose and for those that live in the country that want to cover long distances.
Sure, their needs may be better met by IC's but that's undermining the viability of EV's overall.
Ummm, they must be REAL slow chargers.
The power draw of a street light and an EV charger is chalk and cheese. What's the good of having a charger that's so slow it gives you a few KM an hour and that's what they would have to do to run off a "standard single Phase electrical Cable" when you have a bunch of EV's plugged in down the street.
I don't see surburban Charging being a problem and it is easy catered for. It's when away from the City that the challenges Begin.
None of this addresses the HUGE increase in electrical Demand. In some countries it won't be a big problem to power the EV fleet off Hydro and EVs are already becoming Popular in these places. In the rest of the world where power is in shortage such as here in OZ where people turning on their AC causes problems, meeting the increased power demands, much of which will be at night when people come home and there is no solar, is going to be a BIG problem and a Huge cost. Basically there is 2 Options, Coal Or Nuke. I hope to god we don't go down the nuke road but even if the go ahead was given, I'd be dead before it was completed. For a shorter and stable solution, coal is the only way.
Bio has had 20+ years since it's last flash in the pan as the saviour of the world. How much more time does it need to become more than a token amount of the fuel used?
Growing Biofuels is HIGHLY dependent on oil for fertiliser as well as powering machinery. It is also water use intensive which means a lot of areas aren't suitable for oil crops. In any case you are still going to need the IC vehicles so they won't be dying out anytime in the next 50 years unless some other presently not oven thought of soloution comes along.
Cities are going to have to find at least 4 Times more power than they are using now to power an EV fleet. Maybe then when the power companies are copping it from all sides to supply power, they might at least encourage and pay a decent amount for the power private homeowners generate.
Dino relegated to History? Not in My, your or probably our Kids lifetime it won't.
The thing people forget is that EV's are 100% dependent on Fossil fuels for their existence and creation.
Stop FF tomorrow and EV production comes to a screeching halt. The world will NEVER be able to stop the use of oil. Anyone that thinks Different should remove all oil related products from their EV to backup their beliefs and only charge them from their own RE generated power.... Like Trev.