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Barry T Coles

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Posted: 03:11am 04 Sep 2009

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I will be building a home in the near future & will be going for solar connected to the grid & complemented by F&P wind power am seriously looking at all lighting being 12 volt LED.

The reason for 12 V lighting is three fold, the area I am in is subject to power outages during summer due mainly to bush fires in National parks bringing down the lines or the Power Authority shutting the system down during these fires & low powered LEDS are less power hungry than conventional lighting & when grid power is lost the inverter systems have to shut off feed to the grid.

I have managed to find this Co in South Oz & tried out this light below & I am pleasantly surprised with the output, it has 3 LEDS @1 watt/LED & outshines a 30 watt diachronic down light hands down, it fits into the standard down light fitting.

I�d like to hear from anyone who may have gone down this path before.

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Barry

http://www.digielite.com.au/LEDLampbulb2.htm?gclid=CJ7v24mY1 5sCFYctpAodCnbo_A

DLMR16-3X1W5 12V 3x 1W Power LED White (3500K, 6500K)

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rep334
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Posted: 09:12am 04 Sep 2009

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Hi Barry,
if 12 volt led `s are your fancy I have several options for you .
Have a look at the web address

http://www.hafele.com.au/isapi/online/reflections/reflection s.asp

There are several new options ,

This version is 240 volt but these are available in 12 volt DC.
There are 3.3 watts and 4.5 watts
I have samples and they are fantastic with the out put .

I run these in my house ( 240 volt ) but have 12 volt solar available .
To contact me fernbrae5@bigpond.com

rgds Greg

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rep334
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Posted: 09:15am 04 Sep 2009

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I am sorry I forgot to tell you that the 4.5 watt is equal to a 11 watt cfl globe .( 60 watt incandescent )
these are a real eye opener and of course look better in some sort of light fitting where you cannot look directly at the globe.
Beleive me they are great.
greg

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Bryan1

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Posted: 10:36am 04 Sep 2009

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Hi guys,
Dont bother buying 240 volt led lights checkout this circuit and the guy is not only a electrician but a decent guy on showing things not to do on utube. To check the voltage drop on a led just use the diode function on a decent Dmm. Thr 50 led's I got for $5 through Oatleys did provide a decent guide with forward voltage drop. 35 were 2.2550 volts 9 were 2 .45999 volts the rest didnt register but they did shine bright. My dmm is a fluke 865 and it preset on 3 volts so this weekend I'll try the rest on a 20ma current source to see if they are OK.

One thing if you are going to connect a heap of led's in series for AC use make sure you use a dmm to check the voltage drop.

Cheers Bryan

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Posted: 12:03pm 04 Sep 2009

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If I was to set up 12V LED lighting, I would be opting for a constant current source supply, rather than relying on a limiting series resistor.

Semiconductors often fail short cct. Take for instance a 12V battery and current limiting resistor sized for the 12V nom system. My battery when being equalized, has terminal voltage of 14.9V on a 12V nom system. Depending on wire sizing, and load connection point, the voltage could be higher. This could account for a current of 20mA set by limiting resistor, to actually be 20% higher. This will potentially damage a LED. worse case is LED's continue to fail, until the voltage across the resistor, exceeds the power rating.

Lots of LED's in series requires LED matching.

I have 7, 3W Luxeon 240VAC GU10 fitting LED lamps, and a bigger 10W Luxeon 240VAC Edison LED. These all have Aluminium heatsinked LED's, and SMPS in the fitting.

I have tested a lot of the different multi LED lamps, and the Luxeon have the more natural light. The myriad of 20-50 LED lights give an un-natural virgin white light. I prefer the sparkle single point type light of Luxeon warm white LED's.

A few resistors and an NPN transistor make a simple constant current source.

Gordon.

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Posted: 07:06am 05 Sep 2009

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I googled "LED lights" and came up with a good LED information source:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgphXf0qYeg

Give it a look-see. By the way, those LED bulbs are a bit pricey!

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GWatPE

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Posted: 07:55am 05 Sep 2009

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MacGyver said By the way, those LED bulbs are a bit pricey!

If you remember back when CFL's were introduced, the intro price of LED's is OK. I paid $22 ea for 11W CFL in early 80's. The $ is not worth as much now, so $40 ea for a top shelf 240VAC powered LED lamp is not that bad.

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Barry T Coles

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Posted: 09:30am 05 Sep 2009

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Thanks heaps Guys.
Gives me something to work on.

Cheers
Barry

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GWatPE

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Posted: 11:50pm 05 Sep 2009

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Hi Barry,

Austria, or Australia?

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oztules

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Posted: 12:26am 06 Sep 2009

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Gordon.... his Coordinates: 20�44′11″S 116�50′47″E ... about 22m above sea level.

Mine are 40�00′S 148�07′E.... so he's where the water goes down the toilet the right way

Edited by oztules 2009-09-07

Village idiot...or... just another hack out of his depth

Barry T Coles

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Posted: 01:16am 06 Sep 2009

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Australia

Thanks Gordon, a slip of the cursor one would guess & Oz was pretty close

actally 20 44 13.2S 116 50 45.6E @ RL 11.5m AHD.
Just checked the toilet for positive location identification & yes I am here

Cheers
BarryEdited by Barry T Coles 2009-09-07

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Posted: 02:10am 09 Sep 2009

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Barry:

I like your avatar!

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Barry T Coles

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Posted: 01:17am 14 Sep 2009

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Thanks MacGyver

There's a heap on this site.
http://bestsmileys.com
Cheers
Barry

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Cornelius

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Posted: 06:46am 28 Sep 2009

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I'm working towards getting all the lighting in the house based on 12V leds. My living room are completely converted now, and the rest of the house use 220V led-bulbs.

There is a jungle out there regarding led-bulbs, and much of the cheaper ones are 'first generation' leds with a resistor in series with the leds; these doesn't handle voltage variations very much.

But the 'second gen.' leds are better; most of them have a small constant current controller embedded in the socket, and can often handle 8-30V.

Also, the Lumens/Watt are getting better; i would say that 70-120 l/W are good. The color temperature are also getting much better than the previous gen.; most of the better led bulbs today are available in the 2700K-3000K.

I got some led bulbs similar to the one Barry shows, but with 3x 3W leds and a temp at 2700K; not sure about the l/W, but it says 'similar to a 35W halogen'. Also, i just bought a bulb similar to the one Rep334 shows, but 220v at 8,1W with 82 l/W; excellent outdoor lighting.

Now, i bought these here in Norway, so i can't provide any useful links for shopping, but there seems like you are on the right track with the bulbs shown here in this thread.

Barry T Coles

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Posted: 02:28am 02 Oct 2009

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Hi Cornelius

We are on the same wave length here, I want to be able to not rely on grid power for lighting.

I have been running the LED that I showed in my first post from a 12V 7aH battery for around 4 hours a night as a trial for direct lighting over the outdoor setting, its been there for three weeks now & there hasnt been a voltage drop yet.
If this is an indication of the sort of usable low votage lighting I am going to get then I think I will be happy with a full house installation.

Cheers
Barry

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