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| matherp Guru  Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 10569 |
Just received some new desoldering braid from RS (Electolube manufactured) and received the "Safety Data Sheet". 9 A4 pages of wasted paper * 2 because I bought two different sizes Desoldering braid may cause "discomfort if swallowed." and "Prolonged contact may cause dryness of the skin" Apparently desoldering braid is not-flammable but even so I mustn't use water as an extinguisher as it may spread the (non-existant) fire. I need to use "appropriate footwear" while using it. etc. etc. etc. I'm indebted to Tony Ashford who produced SDS 1891 on 4/8/17 to warn me of all this. Aaaaaaggggghhhhh!!!!!  |
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Azure Guru Joined: 09/11/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 446 |
File that in your SDS and MDS folder that you keep for all you material handling and hazardous substances information. Update your SDS / MDS index list and alert all those who enter your workspace that there has been an update and new materials added. Don't forget to give a safety briefing anytime anyone enters your workspace of where the SDS and MDS information is stored and any potential WHS issues and the fire exit and blackout procedures and muster area in case of any issues arising. Also don't forget to review the new and updated materials in your next safety meeting. Then when you have done all that don't forget to check for any updates to your SDS / MDS paperwork and review and discard any items that have passed their safe use by dates. When all that is done you can then give up on starting any work because your just realised you purchased a new white paint marker and have to go through an update cycle again :) |
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| Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 816 |
Um - so do resistors, capacitors, wire, solder, shoelaces, forks, sticks- in fact most things not actually food would fit that requirement I wonder if there is an SDS for swallowing sticks yet- and if not- WHY NOT???? We all need to know if swallowing sticks is dangerous to our health and safety!!!! (sometimes I despair for the future of humanity...) |
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CaptainBoing Guru Joined: 07/09/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2171 |
Quite! While generally I use such SDS's as tinder to start my kindling, it suddenly occurred to me, "MY GOD KINDLING IS STICKS - BOPPA IS RIGHT" I am currently sat here shivering in the Siberian blast waiting for Tony Ashford to reply to my email. |
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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5157 |
Dont forget to include a blank incident report form. The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 816 |
from HAKKO WICK (DESOLDERING WIRE) #269-2106 269-2112 269-4001 Chemwatch Independent Material Safety Data Sheet Issue Date: 28-May-2013 So if I buy a bulk pack and accidentally spill them on the ground I should follow the above procedure.... Somehow I dont think the fireies will be overly amused.... 'but I was just following the SDS!'  |
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| Azure Guru Joined: 09/11/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 446 |
So you need to wear 2 pairs of gloves a dust mask and breathing apparatus. |
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| George65 Guru Joined: 18/09/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 308 |
The world, especially the US, has gone totally mad on all this " safety" crap. So much of it is nothing more than a self centered industry cashing in and grand standing on a noble cause for their own profit. They have brainwashed so many people into becoming a pack of useless pussys scared of their own shadow. The REAL danger of it all is it has taken away the need for people to think, use their brains and take responsibility for their own personal care and well being instead of thinking it's someone elses job to protect them from their own stupidity. Some years ago I had to do a safety induction and was tested on it afterwards at a Public swimming pool. Nothing but 3 million litres of water, concrete, grass and a stadium made of aluminum benches , metal roofing and concrete flooring. Never went near any plant rooms. not out job to fight a fire there, just get people out. I'm no Rocket Surgeon but I'm pretty sure water, concrete, steel and aluminum is pretty hard stuff to get to burn and you are going to have to put some scientific effort into it, not just going to happen by accident from kids messing round. mate of mine makes a lot of money sitting on his arse listening to site inductions before he can go into a joint to give a quote only to find it is something outside the scope of what he does and has to refer it on. |
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| CaptainBoing Guru Joined: 07/09/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2171 |
So true. A Ugandan friend said the same thing "In Uganda we educate people to think for themselves, in The UK you legislate everything. At a cliff edge you put signs and fences warning of the cliff edge. In Uganda we accept that some people are too stupid to live"  |
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| WhiteWizzard Guru Joined: 05/04/2013 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2959 |
Pretty much the reason I left the 'corporate world' - everything became a paper-work exercise. And as for Health & Safety - some points were valid, but the majority left you thinking a bunch of two yr olds must be the only age-group employed at a large multi-national. One memorable sign was on a staircase wth a sign warning you that 'you MUST hold both handrails whilst on the staircase'. Only thing was, the staircase was 2.5metres wide! Trouble is that when you go 'self-employed' you have a different set of crazy rules to abide by  |
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Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9750 |
[Quote=Billy Connolly] There was a sticker on the electric hairdryer in my room: "Do not use in the bath." Who's that for? Nah, I'm not kidding - people are getting really stupid. I think it's time we trimmed the herd. [/Quote] That from a show he did years ago, and so..... Health And Safety is a beaurocratic waste of time - generally speaking. You cannot legislate against the occastional accident happening in the workplace, but Governments seem to think that is perfectly possible - go figure. Here is a video for you all annoyed about H&S: WARNING! - Contains offensive language. Health And Safety Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 816 |
Years ago when doing a course for my above ground coal ticket, I had to do a course and the course instructor declared, most strongly that 'there was no such thing as an accident- EVERY so called accident is preventable! This was just after the meteorite that had fallen though a houses roof (in NZ from memory) and nearly killed someone. So me being me, quipped about how such an accident if it had killed or injured her had happened, how would the instructor have prevented this 'accident' from happening- encase the house in 50m of concrete? The look I got, the instructor was not amused..... (but did repeat in a louder voice that EVERY accident was preventable) What can you do with somebody that thinks like that? |
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| George65 Guru Joined: 18/09/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 308 |
And yet so many in the west would look at what those people in that country were doing and would call them fools and stupid for not wearing every bit of PPE Made to trim a hedge when I would guarantee the accident rate in place like that where they do have to look after their own well being is probably much lower than the cotton clad workers of the west. And he is spot on. Some people are so stupid and ignorant, not to mention high on drugs or booze or whatever, you couldn't stop them hurting themselves if you walked around with them all day and never let them do a thing. I'm a big believer in the process of natural selection. I work with my father in his wrecking yard sometimes. You can't be " safe" all the time in that work, it's just not possible. You can also put on all the PPE you like and it would be useless against many of the dangers there. Sure we put on glasses when we are doing something that there is a risk of getting stuff in our eyes and glove where they would be a help but there is so much that the only thing that is any good in stopping you getting hurt is your brain. Don't think things through and unbolt the wrong thing and you will have an engine or gearbox falling on you. No PPE is going to do you a scrap of good if that happens. All the wowsers would have a fit if they saw how we worked. Sure there are cuts, scratches and the odd bruised finger but so far the very worst injury to a worker was when He was riding a trailbike on the weekend and came off and broke his leg. Father has been doing this 27 Years and is still very much alive and running round having had his 79th birthday last month. To be perfectly honest, I don't know why we bust a gut to keep the fools and idiots alive when the reality is there are more than enough people on the planet already and loosing a few thousand morons would be an asset not a drawback. The thing is as well, keep them alive a bit longer at work and they will only go home and kill themselves eventually anyway so it's all a moot point. |
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| busa Regular Member  Joined: 12/02/2015 Location: AustraliaPosts: 81 |
CaptainBoing wrote: That's the biggest laugh I have got from this forum in a long while |
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| Paul_L Guru Joined: 03/03/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 769 |
Here in the states we found out long ago that it is absolutely essential that you must find all of the really inefficient, lazy, stupid people and keep them hidden away somewhere where they can't disrupt society too much or destroy productivity. That's why we invented the various agencies that generate regulations and procedures for maintaining on the job safety and keeping track of motor vehicle registration. That's where we sequester the inefficient idiots! Oh yes, what the heck does "PPE" stand for. Youse guys have to unerstand that us yanks don't unerstand some of youse guys slang! Paul in NY |
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| Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 816 |
Personal Protection Equipment gloves, safety glasses, earplugs etc etc |
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| George65 Guru Joined: 18/09/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 308 |
PPE = Personal Protection equipment. Glasses, hearing protection, gloves, aprons, hazmat suits, respirators etc. I think it is a US term. Talking about hazmat suit..... While I was working around the public pools, a Kid dropped a turd in one I was at. The pool was evacuated with a speed and urgency like Jaws had just been sighted in there. Many thought someone had Drowned. While everyone stood around looking at the log lying on the floor of the pool, this kid lifeguard came to the rescue. Literally carrying a 40ft pole with a net, he was all kitted out. The plastic overalls that covered the head and had one of those large plastic faceshileds to boot, plastic gloves that went to his shoulders, a respirator and disposable plastic booties over his shoes. He looked like someone going to investigate a meth lab. He come along, fishes out the offending blind mullet and then another young kid makes way through the crowd like the other guy is carrying a nuclear fission device. I have never laughed so hard in my life. This kid was kitted to the hilt like he was going into Fukushima to check out the broken reactor and all he did was come along and scoop out a single turd. The assistant pool manager then comes out with a couple of buckets, one with a disinfectant powder and the other with some liquid Chlorine and throws it to where the blind Mullet was. All he had on was sunglasses other than normal shorts and polo shirt. They keep the pool closed for 20 min then re opened it with a distinct evidence of kids avoiding that part of the pool for a good while. Yep, one turd in 5 million liters of water there and it was like a chemical attack had just been launched on the place. I'll never forget the sight of that kid all decked out in his safety gear with his 40Ft pole walking along with that turd as far away as he could get it as long as I live. |
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palcal Guru Joined: 12/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2006 |
Paul_L wrote: We do that in Australia, they are our politicians. Paul. "It is better to be ignorant and ask a stupid question than to be plain Stupid and not ask at all" |
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| Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 816 |
I gotta laugh at that- the one actually carrying the dangerous stuff (chlorine can be nasty stuff) isnt wearing ppe, the one thats got absolutely zip/zero/ziltch to worry about is wearing the mars suit (thats what we called em) PMSL OHS at its best! |
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| Paul_L Guru Joined: 03/03/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 769 |
Hmmmmm ... Bill Murray did it better in CaddyShack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPxiXGr9nFM Paul in NY |
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