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| Paul_L Guru  Joined: 03/03/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 769 |
@JohnS - Nobody should be able to coerce or blackmail anybody else. It makes no difference where the ability to coerce or blackmail came from. The difficulty is determining where coercion separates from competition. Standard oil was broken up. So was grandma Bell. The pieces of grandma Bell are slowly rejoining. Mid Atlantic, New Jersey, New York, and New England are back together again in Verizon. The railroads never were broken up. Commodore Vanderbilt built the New York Central from NYC to Chicago from scratch, then he bought up a total of about 47 smaller railroads. He found that each little village was setting their clocks to their own sundial. When you traveled east or west about 12 miles the sundial was one minute different. That didn't matter when you were driving a horse drawn stagecoach at 10 miles per hour. But it mattered greatly when trains started doing 100 mph about 1910! Chicago is about 700 miles west of NYC and the sundial is about 1 hour later, but all the stations between NYC and Chicago all work on a different local time. Vanderbilt worked out the boundaries of the U.S. standard time zones, installed good mechanical clocks in his railroad stations, and synchronized them using the telegraph wires he had installed along the tracks. He also standardized the track gauge on the New York Central and all of the smaller railroads he absorbed to 4 ft 8.5 in (1435 mm). The rest of the U.S. railroads plus those in Canada and Mexico eventually standardized on the same gauge. (Newfoundland still uses a narrower gauge, and city transit systems use a variety of gauges.) You can now load freight on a railcar in the Yucatan and move the railcar to Alaska without unloading it. Thank you Commodore Vanderbilt!!!!! The Union Pacific Railroad absorbed the Southern Pacific and seven other smaller railroads. The Seaboard Airline, Atlantic Coastline, Louisville-Nashville, Chesapeake & Ohio, Baltimore & Ohio railroads merged to become CSX. The Burlington, Northern Pacific, and Atchison Topeka & Santa Fe railroads merged to become Burlington Northern Santa Fe which is now owned by Berkshire Hathaway. The Guilford Rail System patched together a bunch of short line railroads (Boston & Maine, Maine Central, Portland Terminal and Springfield Terminal) in New England and then bought the trademarked name "Pan Am" and the blue ball logo from the bankruptcy court. It was a poorly thought out venture because heavy manufacturing firms were leaving New England because of high local taxes and it resulted in many abandonments, labor disputes, mismanagement, and conflicts with Amtrak. Breaking up railroads and communication networks is not usually a good idea. Paul in NY |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3470 |
My Newfie wife says that train don't run no more. I know some may disagree (especially AT&T pensioners), but it seems unlikely that we would have had such a vast expansion of telephone services so quickly if AT&T had not been broken up. PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| Paul_L Guru Joined: 03/03/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 769 |
As always, technical advancements control, usually to the surprise of liberal arts types. Whatever is possible will be done, and ... The best laid schemes o' mice and men / Gang aft aglee. Thirty five years ago, when AT&T was broken up, their most valuable asset was thought to be the Long Lines division, which consisted of hundreds of thousands of miles of multi-conductor twisted pair cables, thousands of microwave relay towers with tens of thousands of transceivers and narrow beam antennas, and thousands of switching centers housing millions of "T-bar" switches. But technical advancements always control. Beginning about 1854 a bunch of people, including John Tyndall, Alexander Graham Bell, William Wheeler, Roth, Reuss, Henry Saint-Rene, David Smith, John Baird, Clarence Hansell, Heinrich Lamm, Abraham Van Heel and Harold Hopkins tried to bend a light beam by various means. Then in 1961 Elias Snitzer at American Optical described how a very thin single-mode fiber could carry light with only one waveguide mode, and finally in 1970 Maurer, Keck and Schultz figured out how to make a sufficiently thin fiber at Corning Glass Works. That development quickly destroyed the value of AT&T Long Lines. In 1975 the USAF linked computers at NORAD / Cheyenne Mountain using fiber optics. In 1977 1.5 miles of fiber optic bundles were installed underground in Chicago modulating 672 voice circuits on to each fiber. By 2000 80% of the world's voice circuits had switched to fiber! The rapid development was enabled by fiber-optics and had little to do with AT&T's breakup. Whatever is possible will be done whether you like it or not. Paul in NY. |
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| Paul_L Guru Joined: 03/03/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 769 |
But, assuming you're in a public area, does that mean that you have a legal requirement to never look over someone else's shoulder before you know that he does not want you to know what he is doing? How would you be expected to know, before you looked over his shoulder, that he did not want you to look? That sounds like an impossible conundrum to me. Paul in NY. |
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| Paul_L Guru Joined: 03/03/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 769 |
Addendum ... The development of ultra pure SiO2 glass fiber at Corning was a direct result of engineering efforts at the US Army Fort Monmouth Labs to eliminate signal attenuation and noise pickup and reduce propagation time in copper wires. In 1961 Sam DiVita and Richard Sturzebecher issued a public request for proposals to develop such a fibre. Corning submitted a bid which was successful and the Army paid them about $1,000,000 between 1963 and 1970. The seed money which started the fiber-optic revolution came from the need to aim radar directed guns at fast moving aircraft targets which resulted in the eventual diminuition of the asset value of AT&T long lines and the easy ability to conduct lag free video interviews between a reporter in New York and a politician in Brussels about the meaning of Brexit. I'm not sure that I wanted to know this much about Brexit. Hmmmmm ... ARM ... Huawei ... backdoors ... money ... spying ... flaws ... trust governments .. encryption ... speech ... listening to speech ... limiting listening to speech ... protecting of your speech ... coercion ... trust busting ... efficiency of large size ... don't bust trusts ... technical advances control corporate success ... I wonder where this thread will wander next ...... Paul in NY. |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4135 |
I didn't mean they were. But the government did step in to prevent the monopolistic, public-harming (anti-trust) practices. Right now we have a lot of public-harming going on, especially by facebook, google, apple, microsoft, amazon, and others. Sadly Bush backed off on splitting up Microsoft. Even more sadly, the rest are almost entirely doing as they like. John |
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CaptainBoing Guru Joined: 07/09/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2171 |
In some instances legal protection does exist, yes, but decent human beings use their social conscience to regulate their behaviour with others - you know without having to find out if your subject is OK with it or not. No conundrum. That's why our parents taught us manners and social responsibility. Would you be OK with someone watching you enter your PIN at an ATM, more-so when you suspect they are going to relive you of your card immediately afterwards? don't say "I wouldn't do it in such a case" - that is ducking the issue - do you or not want privacy in a public place to enter your PIN? for the sake of this thought experiment, don't get hung up on any minutiae; let's assume there is nothing you can do to prevent them from seeing it - Covering it with your hand is not sufficient and using a readily available IR camera, I could see which buttons you pressed and the degree of afterglow gives me a good idea what order... (Ah! we are back to legally enforced privacy. You are legally protected from someone do anything like this to get private information from you in a public place - at least here in the UK.) We have laws for the extreme things but for everything else there is common decency. We protect those who can't stand up to aggressors there are always bigger fish in the pond no matter how much of a hardman one might be. The (I think) Apache belief that "a man must be strong enough to keep what he has or he will lose it" is anarchic madness. A reasonable expectation to a degree of Privacy exists in public with some of it protected by laws. As the laws extend into your home, so does any reasonable expectation of others to respect personal space extend beyond it into the street. Anything else has a name: Croydon  |
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