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Forum Index : Microcontroller and PC projects : Windows 11 LTSC(lite) version - legit from Microsoft...
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9509 |
This is interesting! Windoze 11 LTSC... Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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Mixtel90 Guru  Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7585 |
Very interesting indeed! I'm sure licences will be available from the Jolly Roger Software Licencing Company. I want one! :) In the meantime I now have MX Linux with the posh KDE Plasma desktop running on an old Celeron N3450 fanless box with 4GB RAM. It's running very nicely so far but I've not pushed it yet. It looks like Plasma is fine if a PC can handle Windows 10 reasonably. Edited 2025-02-18 18:35 by Mixtel90 Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| PhenixRising Guru Joined: 07/11/2023 Location: United KingdomPosts: 1193 |
What I take from this is that I have nothing to worry about with Superlite It's my most solid machine, not a single flaky experience and I have read the same from others. Even got a free Pro key for it  |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7585 |
I have even less to bother about with MX (other flavours of linux are available, of course). :) Just wondering if it's worth getting a 2242 NVME M2 card to add to it or just use external storage for anything worth sticking hold of at all. EDIT: Sorted. It now has a 128GB M.2 card. I had one. Replaced the battery too so I won't need to open the case again for a while, hopefully. MX has all its updates. Brave and Wine installed. Email set up (years since I last looked at Thunderbird!). . Edited 2025-02-18 22:31 by Mixtel90 Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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stanleyella Guru Joined: 25/06/2022 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2418 |
3 months use , hmmm? debloat win11 pro iso after using rufus to make bootable usb, with win winaero tweaker. youtube guides available. |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7585 |
The point is, Stan, that Microsoft could have made Windows 11 installable on most existing hardware that is currently running Windows 10. There is nothing at the base level that needs specific CPUs or TPM modules so it could have been done. They chose not to do it as a commercial decision. I suspect that might have been mostly to support AI stuff. Personally my preference is for an OS that I'm pretty certain hasn't been hacked about by someone to include hidden backdoors and malware. We are all at the mercy of people we don't know when we trust our data to an OS, but Microsoft and Apple might be reasonably trustworthy as might most of the Linux distros (as they would soon have serious problems if anyone who inspects or maintains any of the source code were to find such things). As for anything else, YMMV. I ran Mint for several years and only returned to Windows because I couldn't find a good, free and stable 2D CAD package for Linux. I've just found an interesting problem on MX. I tried playing a FLAC file taken from a SACD of "Brothers In Arms" and periodically the music slows down for a very short time. I suspect it's because of the Linux interrupts system. Normal FLAC files are fine. I might be making the poor little thing work quite hard running the KDE Plasma desktop. :) Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9509 |
Indeed. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| robert.rozee Guru Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 2408 |
i watched the video and was impressed about how 'clean' the LTSC version of Windows 11 is; if that was what mainstream Windows was like it is quite likely i would be typing this on a Windows machine rather than a Linux one. it was only when Windows became 'hard' that i turned away. that is massive quantities of bloatware being forced on users, and the gradual shift of MicroSoft's philosophy - from the stance of the user telling the computer what to do, to the computer telling the user what they were allowed to do. cheers, rob :-) |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7585 |
There are many times that I wish Linux was actually more user-friendly rather than a lot of it being only skin deep. The kernel itself is pretty user-hostile, even with something like bash to ease the pain a little. Apple takes it the other way, friendly as anything but users can actually do very little without Apple's (almost always paid for!) blessing. At least Windows has been on some sort of middlish path, although they are starting to gradually creep into Apple territory now. I agree about LTSC. I'd love that if I could have it legally. Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| robert.rozee Guru Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 2408 |
true - Linux has always had its cryptic 'incantations' that need to be entered at the console to do some things. i'm guessing most users are like me and have a list of their most useful incantations saved away in a text file; we know what each one does, but have absolutely no idea of how! what Linux needs is an incantationator utility - a GUI application that you can enter your favourite incantations into, that will then store and sort them, and assign each to a clickable button for when you want to next use it. it could even have an option to once a week send new incantations off to the Linux developers for possible inclusion into the appropriate place elsewhere in the user interface. cheers, rob :-) |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3326 |
My "Linux incantations" list in approximately alphabetical order from "#!/bin/sh" to "iwlist" is 127 lines long. I have to consult it for all but the most common commands (ls, cd, cat, chmod, find, grep). I'm a Windows user, but have, or have had, dozens of Linux devices, from 4MB routers running openWrt to Raspberry Pi to PC boxes (long gone). I don't have any similar list for Windows (though I guess the DOS command line commands are imprinted on my brain now from close to 40 years of use). PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7585 |
I'm happy that MX has the manual and FAQ ready installed on the desktop. :) Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| stanleyella Guru Joined: 25/06/2022 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2418 |
and it seems the security is not secure. I just saying I got win11 iso and using rufus got a version that was lean. I forgot the password so reset. That's when you get the bloated version. you can use win cmd to debloat, there's guides, or trust win aero tweaker and guides,so many options but they're short cuts to same reg edit options. reg edit is a good way to mess your pc. I've used win aero tweaker since win 7 then for remove shortcut arrows. I've been using win11 from iso for months no prob even cloned the 120gb ssd to 240gb ssd but ms could pull the plug and make you pay. |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7585 |
I do wish people wouldn't say "I've been using it for n years and it's been fine so it's ok" and other such junk. How did they prove that it didn't contain a keylogger that uploaded everything entered as a password to a server in Nigeria? How did they detect the backdoor that hasn't been triggered by the command and control server in Russia yet? How do they know that their bank and credit card details haven't already been extracted and are just waiting on a Chinese server to be used? If you can't trust the source of the OS then it's 50/50 whether it will *eventually* get you in some way, even if it's only a stupid buffer overflow that will cause it to wipe your hard drive after it's saved 1024GB of data. There are bugs in *all* pieces of software. The bigger the software the more bugs. OS software is pretty big now - we've come a long way since CP/M. If you hack about with software you generally introduce bugs, which *hopefully* you'll find. However the chances are that at least one will escape if the changes are of any size at all. You may not find it because nothing you do in test can trigger it because that piece of code was deleted. You think. You can't be certain that there wasn't another call that will screw everything up if that gets triggered by something totally unconnected to what you've been doing. You *have* to be able to trust your OS. That's what has control of your data, during creation, storage, retrieval and deletion. If it screws up you are very liable to lose everything that is on any storage that's connected at the time. It's the one fundamental piece of software apart from the BIOS and the microcode in the CPU. If you don't have complete faith in your OS you'd better be keeping plenty of regular backups that are always tested on a different system for recovery, after all your OS may be writing zero to every 702183th bit and you wouldn't know because the backed up system would be expecting it and wouldn't error on those bits. Providing your data is of any use to you, of course. It may not matter to you, in which case it doesn't matter what a flaky OS does and you can use anything. Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4006 |
I think you mean the commands, i.e. the ones used at a command line ("shell" in UNIX/Linux terminology) such as bash. The kernel handles all the I/O, multi-tasking, etc, but unless you're writing code (in C, C++, etc) you really don't see it much if at all. The commands were invented when the only terminals were the likes of the TeleType i.e. hard copy & excruciatingly slow. They were kept short to make life bearable and they were realistically for people (programmers) using the system a lot. Similar kinds of commands were available on the other OSes of that time - none of which survive other than on machines in museums or the like. We're talking before 1975 (when I met UNIX, which was already in something like its 6th edition). I had access via a 2.4MB disk, 9-track magtape, etc. Single user machine. (Pipes, I/O redirection, etc, were a stunning innovation along with the incredibly powerful shell. C for systems programming was an amazing leap forward. And you could do this stuff on a "small" machine - a mini-computer rather than a mainframe.) So that's a short history... but yes they're cryptic and rather unfriendly in today's world of fast CPUs, huge memories, vast hard drives, etc. You can do "most" (?) things via GUI now. I wish you could do everything that way and I also wish each GUI tool which uses the commands (and only some do that) would provide a clear list of what it does - could be useful for those a bit past being newbies. But... who would write the code and would it really be useful? I'm "lucky" - the commands I got to know then are mostly the same now (but with more options i.e. features) and there are a LOT more commands than back then. Plus the GUI stuff. I recall a saying (a twist on another): UNIX, a great place to live but you wouldn't want to visit there. BTW The Windows CMD / PowerShell hits me much the same (i.e. not user-friendly) every time I try to get a new (to me) laptop to dual boot, especially since UEFI. John Edited 2025-02-20 05:55 by JohnS |
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| stanleyella Guru Joined: 25/06/2022 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2418 |
Mick, I searched for bad aero tweaker stuff and found none. they're all fools like me and have used it for years and no pc reports malware or virus but there's a point where what software do you trust. and in the video the sponsor sells cheap win 11 activation keys. is that legit? |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7585 |
Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| matherp Guru Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 10090 |
I've installed this version on a test PC and bought a full licence (USD 19). I'll report progress as I have a chance to play more. No issues with the install and certainly boots fast. |
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| stanleyella Guru Joined: 25/06/2022 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2418 |
and the version is? I bought an optiplex with win 11 installed for cheaper than win 11 licence. I can read the activation key but would it work on another pc? Edited 2025-02-21 06:54 by stanleyella |
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