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| PhenixRising Guru  Joined: 07/11/2023 Location: United KingdomPosts: 1623 |
JohnS What thermodynamics? Did you bypass all the above? You are still hung up on Faraday from almost 200 years ago. I mean gimme a break. "Oh Mike's discovery consumes too much energy, let's go out in the ocean and drill through ten feet of granite to get to those fossils (don't ask how the fossils ended up on the other side of the granite) and let's pump this stuff, refine it and sell it at a huge profit and polute every damn thing" Yeah better than people using water, right? |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4121 |
I'm sticking to your claims about water and H2 & O2. You're avoiding backing up what you claimed with appropriate facts. John |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3464 |
Per Wikipedia, "The first recorded use of the term "fossil fuel" occurs in the work of the German chemist Caspar Neumann, in English translation in 1759." A similar rigor in the introduction of "facts" seems prevalent. PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| PhenixRising Guru Joined: 07/11/2023 Location: United KingdomPosts: 1623 |
I'm avoiding nothing. You clearly haven't watched the videos I linked. Even British investigators visit Stan Meyer and found nothing but water power. If you care to investigate this topic, you will find many who have replicated this technology and have died mysteriously with all records removed. There's no hope for those who swallow the mainstream horse doo-doo. |
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| PhenixRising Guru Joined: 07/11/2023 Location: United KingdomPosts: 1623 |
Expand your research to who OWNS Wikipedia. Their constant pleas for donations? Do you have any idea how much they are sitting on? Obviously you don't. Just go along with the BS. I was recently asked to perform at a gig for Christies Cancer Charity. I researched their financials: 2023: Total received £24M Total paid out to the cause:£1.6M Remainder: For future purposes People are total suckers who believe any damn thing. And here we are. Only believe what we are told. Sad, sad, sad. |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3464 |
You don't say that Wikipedia is wrong, and you don't provide any evidence that what you claim about Rockefeller is right. Per perplexity.ai: I am mindful of what Harm said: "You cannot convince them, stop trying." PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| PhenixRising Guru Joined: 07/11/2023 Location: United KingdomPosts: 1623 |
To keep one's head in the sand is one's prerogative. I choose not to because I think critically and disposed of the TV after that ridiculous faked 9/11 garbage. |
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| PhenixRising Guru Joined: 07/11/2023 Location: United KingdomPosts: 1623 |
So I'm throwing down the gauntlet. It's basic stuff. All you guys opposing me: The portion of the wing tip that sliced through steel reinforced concrete. How did the hollow aluminium section achieve this hot-knife-through-butter penetration? The calcs are pretty simple ....so enlighten me. Volhout? Mixtel90? Twofingers? Lizby? Phill99? JohnS You are all ready to respond but with NOTHING....except go with the government narrative. Grow a pair and give me a real answer. Not gonna happen, because you will never make the numbers work  |
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Revlac Guru Joined: 31/12/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1202 |
Destructive Power of Plastic at Orbital Speeds. See NASA Experiment Chicken cannon....Fun but impacts are devastating wooden post fired at high speed goes through brick wall. PinPong ball fired at high velocity...seen on Mythbuster's. I don't care for all the numbers or science. Most of us are aware of Kinetic energy @PhenixRising Take a break Mate! Have cuppa Tea or coffee.  Cheers Aaron Off The Grid |
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| Revlac Guru Joined: 31/12/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1202 |
Ok I think the conversation was back on page 8? I'm sure a lot of solar panels would be replaced several times before the net zero targets, along with inverters and associated parts. Perhaps AI can add that up. Cheers Aaron Off The Grid |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3464 |
And so? Here's a human: TED talk. tl;dr: clean tech through 2050 needs 230 million tons extracted annually; compared to an annual harvest of 8 billion tons of coal, 5 billion tons of oil, 3 billion tons natural gas. PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4121 |
I am sticking to the water / H2 / O2 stuff. I doubt I know anything like enough to divert per your above item nor do I have any interest in it. But - I _am_ interested in getting you to admit that Meyer etc is bunkum. You just cannot be wrong, can you. However, I think you've ruined this thread and that's a pity. John Edited 2025-11-05 17:44 by JohnS |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3464 |
Perhaps all is not lost. This makes for a case study of several well understood argumentation maladies. 1) The Gish Gallop: "During a typical Gish gallop, the galloper confronts an opponent with a rapid series of specious arguments, half-truths, misrepresentations" So here we have the galloping (not pertinent to the thread) hobbyhorses: A) Miracle electrolysis: "Stan Meyer discovered that using high AC voltage at a specific frequency, negligible current, could achieve spectacular hydrogen production". B) 9/11 conspiracism: "how the wing-tips sliced through steel reinforced concrete" C) Covid denialism: "no myocarditis, pericarditis, turbo cancers" (Although I guess I haven't kept up--this one seems backwards--those of us who did get vaccines were supposed to be getting those, not those who "didn't roll up our sleeves".) We know Phenix has additional hobbyhorses in his stable--let's just hope they don't get trotted out. 2) Brandolini's Law: "The amount of energy needed to refute bullsh*t is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it." Maybe we should also consider Hitchens's Razor: "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8267 |
Stan Meyer's wonderful water cell was eventually inspected (in spite of him keeping putting off the inspectors in various ways). It was found to be nothing but ordinary electrolysis. He was convicted of fraudulently obtaining money from investors and had to refund the £25,000. He never had anything even resembling what he boasted about. If water-powered engines are possible and have actually been made then someone definitely must be able to provide verifiable proof of it. I challenge *anyone* to provide such proof. Note that internet sources are NOT proof as the internet is guaranteed to be 90% lies because 90% of the contributors are liars in one way or another. :) Just saying "the big corporations are crushing the invention" is as much a get-out as saying "It's in the Bible/Daily Express/Koran/Facebook etc. so it has to be true". The burden of proof is on those who say a thing is possible. It's impossible for someone to prove the opposite as the supporters of the theory will continue moving the goalposts indefinitely to suit their own argument. Engineering: Have you never used a sanding disk on metal? Sand isn't all that abrasive really and mild steel sheet is much harder, yet a sanding disk will quite happily round off corners of a sheet simply because what friction there is is combined with a very high speed and a little pressure, both of which increase the abrasive effect by a large amount. Too much pressure and the disk tears - it's relatively fragile. Very much like the seemingly fragile tip of an aircraft propeller. . Edited 2025-11-06 05:14 by Mixtel90 Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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twofingers Guru Joined: 02/06/2014 Location: GermanyPosts: 1666 |
@Lance, I wasn't familiar with that before. Thanks! I only knew "Occam's razor" and Sagan's "principle that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". And beware of the "firehose of falsehoods."  Kind regards Michael causality ≠ correlation ≠ coincidence |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8267 |
@JohnS I don't know the workings of this particular forum software, but I do know that on at least two others it's possible to rescue any thread simply by creating a new, empty one and moving a load of posts into it. This I know 'cos I've done it myself several times. :) Who can do it depends on the moderation permissions that have been set by an admin (being one of those pointy hat beings on two other fora I can also speak with some authority on this). At that level you can also simply delete unwelcome posts but it can make you a bit unpopular sometimes (ask me how I know... <hehe>). Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4121 |
Some great references & quotes above - thanks all. John |
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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5153 |
OK going to lock the thread, its getting a bit off subject and had a couple complaints. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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