 Notice. New forum software under development. It's going to miss a few functions and look a bit ugly for a while, but I'm working on it full time now as the old forum was too unstable. Couple days, all good. If you notice any issues, please contact me. |
Forum Index : Microcontroller and PC projects : W11 continues to FORCE people to have a MS account.....
  Page 2 of 2 |
|||||
| Author | Message | ||||
| EDNEDN Senior Member  Joined: 18/02/2023 Location: United StatesPosts: 155 |
My hesitancy is I want my machine to work the same whether I am connected to the internet or not. I don't want different behavior if the internet is not available (or I choose to not be connected to the internet). Like Mick, I want both my applications and my data on the same machine I'm using. There are too many people like that. I'm not sure $MSFT is going to be willing to try to force everybody into the cloud model. Too many of us will punt and say "I'm switching to Linux." Edited 2025-07-21 05:04 by EDNEDN |
||||
Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9608 |
With a MS account, you are still FORCED to simply sign-in to your machine, using that MS account and a PIN number. I hate it even going THAT far. Yet again, you also MUST have internet access, simply to LOG-IN to your own fecking computer. If the net is down or their servers are down or something, you can't even get past the Windoze log-on screen. That's beyond stupid IMHO, and putting all your eggs in one basket, so to speak. I still use W10, and I still like W10, and I won't be replacing it with W11 come the end of W10 support later this year, I can certainly say that much. I WILL HAVE A PLAY AROUND with some of those tools such as Rufus, that can "Alter" the ISO image to bypass some or most of that stuff, and that's OK for computer geeks like me, but those that just buy a new laptop or PC from a chain store, don't get that option, so they all fall into the trap of being forced into having a MS account, and I really rather hate that aspect of it too.   Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
||||
| EDNEDN Senior Member Joined: 18/02/2023 Location: United StatesPosts: 155 |
Yes. That is a deal breaker for a lot of people. I am not going to have machines that I can't get into unless the internet is alive and connected to the machine. And what about the corner case where somebody screws up their network settings and shuts the machine down? Does that mean the user never gets access to the machine again to fix the network settings? Edited 2025-07-21 10:39 by EDNEDN |
||||
Supertech Regular Member  Joined: 13/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 48 |
1. Microsoft Windows 11 (versions) CAN be installed WITHOUT any online account. They still havent won this in courts. The is always a method, well hidden. 2. Imagine you buy a new laptop, pop it in 4wd, drive into Auzzie outback. Oh, sealed new, never activated. NO internet whatsoever. Can you use that "microsoft Windows 11 new device"? Microsoft HAVE to allow you to. But how? 3. Currently the how part is two fold, A. You ensure you do not have any possible WiFi or wired internet connection, answering No to any every request. B. It will ask "how you are using the computer on its final connection to the internet" which you must answer. BUT ensure you select 'it will be part of a business', NOT home private use, irrespective of 'home' or 'pro' or whatever you trying to activate. Don't worry, this can be sorted after its up and owned and running! This step is very important! 4. A "Local Account" for your ownership you bought is very critical and only gets set once! Why? Because it is also YOUR main 'user name' as belonging to any older PC files ownership! Simples. Eg if old win pc main user was "Bill", then you must use same. Otherwise inporting documents you Bill own cannot be used recognised as yours! So, 1. Local account only BUT 2.Name matched to previous owner user if comming from previous Windows machine. 5. Once online, updates flood in must do. But don't swing into demands of online account demands. And uninstall any crap you dont need! Right click, uninstall. Beware. The standard picture viewer, snipit basic stuff now spoofs every use of them. I uninstall, get Faststone and infran for pictures. The whole online account is so called helping you, but do you want everything you do clouded out to there servers? That is your decision. I for one hate it. There is lots more, but this is basics. Microsoft is about to release a automatic upgrade from old to new to keep the Microsoft belivers sales happy. Regards members. |
||||
| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9608 |
Not according to that video I linked to in the first post of this thread. The guy on that video was experimenting with disconnecting and reconnecting the internet, and WITHOUT a connection to the internet, the W11 installer outright REFUSED to work. You could not even click on the NEXT button - it was greyed out, unless the W11 installer could see the internet. When he connected the internet, then set the process in motion, then disconnected the internet again, the installer falls over - it will not proceed without the internet. MS don't HAVE to allow you to do ANYTHING. That's one of the main problems I have with MS these days - their "My way, or the hiway!" approach to....well....pretty much EVERYTHING from OS to app subscription models and policies. This is why more and more people are choosing the hiway, and dropping Windoze for Linux Mint etc. As far as NEEDING the internet to complete the install, OK, fair enough I suppose, but a recent experimental install of W11 Pro I did, the ISO download was 4GB or so, and the full install once complete was 30GB or so. 30GB just for the base operating system? BEFORE you install and apps? Just what the hell does W11 need 30GB of install space for? (rhetorical) Ranting a bit - sorry....  Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
||||
| EDNEDN Senior Member Joined: 18/02/2023 Location: United StatesPosts: 155 |
I wouldn't even care if it took 30GB if it actually did something with it. It is all bloatware. |
||||
| lizby Guru  Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3377 |
You've got a 1TB SSD for, say, $50--what do you care if 3% of it is used for the operating system? (That said I certainly want to continue to use Win11 without signing in with a Microsoft account--which I do have.) PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
||||
| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3377 |
Can you explain what you mean by this? PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
||||
| Supertech Regular Member Joined: 13/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 48 |
A bit clearer, Since MS W8 OS, 2 major things, 1. W account registration is MS held Digital key linked to hardware. Thus the first use requires an account to link these forever on that owner account. For new hardware you 'not built' you must do this. However if you build your own, you still need A account to achive hardware ownership LATER after you install MS OS only with a local account! A online account if used on say laptop, IF wiFi driver update fails, AFTER reboot, your locked out of your owned PC, coz it talks back to MS! I had a few machines to fix in this state! Why you use local account even after activation! If you sell or give away owned hardware MS Digital licence is still fixed to you. And if that user violated MS, it gets black banned, if not fully restricted by MS! All its account setup is ownership of hardware. You cannot upgrade say Home to Pro without owned user approval. MS may release it, but good luck! 2. The registry went from a file to 5 encrypted ones only accessible (regedit seen) when MS system is running! Days of editing offline gone. If your SSHD is failing, damage these files, it will never boot again and can only be recovered if you had an active recovery partition used in Pre install environment. Otherwise resuce data and reinstall MS Doors woop Winduz better still Walls first! Apple have a whole byte missing. ST. |
||||
| Supertech Regular Member Joined: 13/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 48 |
Methods not explained in previous 1st post me says 'there is always a way' without any internet nicely explained here, https://windowsforum.com/threads/bypass-windows-11-network-setup-3-easy-offline-installation-methods.357678/ Youtubers are often outdated nonsence. MS also changes things to 'circumvent' these methods, up to you be up to date! Remember; account = hardware bought owner digital hardware activation. Of course also MS control over your use too, you being sold into there services. BUT be very carefull allowing them via analytical meta data you dont see traversing your every use they say 'to improve there product you bought' privacy theft cop-out also via licence account activation, that then have total control in pumping further sales at you. Like I've already stated, not an OS, rather a WWW sales billbord with a computer attached in your face! Enjoy. There is many things you can do to combat this sales machine woop your new OS PC back to use.....  |
||||
| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9608 |
LOL!  I like that!  Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
||||
| Page 2 of 2 |
|||||
 Print this page |
 |
The Back Shed's forum code is written, and hosted, in Australia. | © JAQ Software 2025 |
