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Mixtel90 Guru  Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8256 |
I've just had a look. It appears that you can do a free upgrade from existing Win 10 to Win 11, but only if the hardware is compatible. It you haven't got TPM 2.0 then the result is a Win 11 system that isn't supported and doesn't get updates. You may as well have stuck with Win 10. Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9739 |
MS blocks more and more ways for you to have a local account... LINK... Apparently, MS are also going to FORCE anyone who brings a local account across to W11 from a W10 upgrade, to a MS account too. I don't have proof of that(yet), but it would not surprise me one bit if they are actually going to do that. Linux! Linux! Where for art thou, Linux!? I have started ACTIVELY discouraging anyone from adopting W11 at this point - Mint is a perfect replacement for general day-to-day Internet stuff. Linux only has a problem, if you have some Windoze-specific software that there is no Linux version of, and you can't run it in Wine etc. There is always a small VM Windoze you could run inside Linux, to run the Windoze-only software. But I wonder if MS have pushed the users just a bit too much with this whole "You WILL have a MS account, and you will f-ing LIKE IT!!!"? I expect there will still be the die-hard Windoze users who will just do whatever MS say they have to do, but I also think there are a vast amount of people who are dropping Windoze now, in favour of some form of Linux. MS's loss is Linux's gain, so I guess there is that! Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| robert.rozee Guru Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 2459 |
it makes perfect sense if Micro$oft have done a deal with Intel and AMD such that the UEFI (the modern replacement for a computer's traditional BIOS) is in future locked to only load Window$. this could probably even be enforced within the ME (Intel Management Engine; AMD's equivalent is called the "AMD Platform Security Processor"), which Intel has 100% control of. recently Intel have been making noises about moving back from the open source community, see: https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/09/intel_open_source_commitment/ arguments could be put by our leaders that locking out 'foreign' operating systems is essential in securing the online world against the ever increasing threats from abroad that government agencies are uncovering on an almost daily basis now  cheers, rob :-) |
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Bryan1 Guru Joined: 22/02/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1582 |
Rob I had that issue many years ago with my desktop when the HDD failed tried to load win7 only to find a message saying windows can't run on this hardware. Also the same thing happened to my laptop and yes both had AMD chips |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9739 |
This video is a good one. Short(only 8 minutes), but covers a lot of ground, and makes some good points, and even talks about MS's "Reasons" for preventing everyone from having a local account. Playing about with the latest Mint tonight on another PC beside me here.... Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| greybeard Senior Member  Joined: 04/01/2010 Location: AustraliaPosts: 175 |
Now with support finished for win10 (unless you have a microsoft login or pay $) your humble win10 laptop won't lock up for several hours at random times installing updates |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9739 |
So there is that!  I'm playing around with Mint in the last couple of days. I WILL NOT be upgrading to W11. W11 is what many of us would have called "Bloatware" a few years ago, and probably still do now. If you want to run W11, that's fine. But the number of people who have asked me about "This new thing called Linux" in the last few days, is quite remarkable. As you know, Linux is nothing new, but it would seem that there is some SERIOUS discontentment with how W11 is being FORCED on everyone that still has a Microsoft addiction, to the point that those MS addicts.....are looking for alternatives. That says quite a lot, actually.  I'm SURE it has NOTHING to do with W11's requirement for TPM2 and SecureBoot among other things, which for A-LOT of people still on W10......means they have to buy a whole new computer to run W11..... W11 is just about malware at this point. Edited 2025-10-16 15:55 by Grogster Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8256 |
As I've just commented on another thread, my daughter has just installed Mint on my grandson's machine. There was great delight in her voice as she finished the install. "That was it? It's done? Wow, that was easy!" and discovering Libre office already there. I left her to play after that, he's picking it up today. I suspect she'll end up with a Mint install of her own now. :) Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| Volhout Guru Joined: 05/03/2018 Location: NetherlandsPosts: 5405 |
Yep, Mint default install is easy. Volhout Edited 2025-10-16 19:06 by Volhout PicomiteVGA PETSCII ROBOTS |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3451 |
Not my experience at all. Last spring I bought a new-to-me used 2017-release i7 32GB Dell Latitude 7480 laptop with Win11 on it, installed my customary Win10 apps. Did not use my Microsoft account to set it up and have not needed it since. The amount of space Win11 occupies on a 512GB hard drive (half-filled) is inconsequential to me. Task manager right now shows 25-65% CPU use, 47% memory, 1% disk and 0% network with 3 browsers totaling well over 100 browser windows open plus 11 other apps (usually more). The notebook never seems laggy to me. Is the experience pretty much like Win10? Yes, to me it is. I can't think of any complaints I have regarding performance, and I'd consider myself a fairly heavy user. YMMV. PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9739 |
Perhaps it was a little harsh of me to label W11 malware.  My frustration was obviously on display. As I said - if you want to run W11, that's fine. But the fact that LOTS of people are finding out their otherwise perfectly fine computers running W10, can't be used with W11 cos of TPM and secure-boot not being in place on their W10 machines, seems to be irritating A-LOT of people. This stems from the fact they are being told they have to shell out thousands for a new computer, just to run W11, when the one running W10 has nothing wrong with it, technically. Yes, there are ways to bypass the TPM and secure-boot issues by building a custom image to get around that, but I'm referring just to machines pre-loaded with the standard W11 image at this point, as those are the people I deal with 99% of the time. Interest in Linux has SURGED as a direct result of the MS stance on this. And no bad thing, IMHO. I've never seen so much interest in Linux, from people who generally were unaware of its existance before. There are a plethora of videos on YouTube about W10 EOL, and what to do about it, and many of those videos talk about just moving to Linux - usually Mint. So, the word is getting out there. The W11 "Upgrade" along with all the forced MS account stuff etc, seems to be one hell of an ad for Linux in general! Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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palcal Guru Joined: 12/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2005 |
Agree, I am in the process of making a custom image using rufus for my daughter who uses apps that wont run on Linux. I'll see how it goes. "It is better to be ignorant and ask a stupid question than to be plain Stupid and not ask at all" |
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| EDNEDN Senior Member Joined: 18/02/2023 Location: United StatesPosts: 242 |
And really???? The TPM doesn't even lock down things. $MSFT code has always been sloppy and prone to buffer overrun attacks and a multitude of other attack vectors. They slapped down a TPM and said "OK, we will have a secure boot partition and we will use that as the foundation for everything else." Except, they didn't. They had a requirement to be able to move drives from one machine to another and that was the first step down a slippery slope. And the TPM's aren't even that secure. I know for a fact you can slice and dice the TPM die to get any information you need. But hardly anybody even bothers to do that because the crack programs are pretty good at unlocking your secure partition and figuring things out if you need to. Case and Point: How does Linux mount Windows drives with a secure partition? They don't have access to the key. But has anybody had trouble mounting a Windows partition on their Linux machine? Of course not. The TPM hasn't locked down anything. |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8256 |
Apparently you *can* install Win 11 on a machine without TPM. What you can't have is updates from Microsoft unless you have TPM 2. It will run fine, but has no updates and no support. Just like remaining on Win 10 but with added AI, in fact. :) Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| palcal Guru Joined: 12/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2005 |
Success! Just installed Win 11 on an old machine using Rufus. Works well, Windows Update works OK. "It is better to be ignorant and ask a stupid question than to be plain Stupid and not ask at all" |
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