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Forum Index : Microcontroller and PC projects : ARM chopping Hauwei
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| isochronic Guru  Joined: 21/01/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 689 |
Looks like ARM - the basis of many micros - is stopping future work with Huawei. report I am wondering if that will extend to china-made electronics containing ARM micros as well as phones. That would be quite a tectonic shift. |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4134 |
All seems to stem from Trump's claim that China could add backdoors - conveniently overlooking Intel's actions! I wonder if any WiFi / BT / Ethernet LAN / etc chips are made in China (I suspect they are) and will also be banned... And then there's software... anyone seen 100% of the source code for Windows? Any backdoors there? Finally, he's apparently not read "Reflections on Trusting Trust". John |
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CaptainBoing Guru Joined: 07/09/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2171 |
just off the top of everyone's favourite tech rag... mostly Cisco and a single non-event for Huawei stuff. https://search.theregister.co.uk/?q=cisco&advanced=1&author=&date=q&results_per_page=100 https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/13/cisco_thrangrycat_vulnerability/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/17/cisco_prime_infrastructure_critical_vuln/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/04/30/huawei_enterprise_router_backdoor_is_telnet/ Bored now. |
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9755 |
Had a look at all those links, and still completely confused. Can someone clarify the essence of the issue? Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| BenandAmber Guru Joined: 16/02/2019 Location: United StatesPosts: 961 |
When it comes to our government everything comes back to money and Power how to get more money and more power to those that need it to least It matters not what subject you're talkin about it all comes back to the same exact things Just my two cents though be warned i am good parrot but Dumber than a box of rocks |
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| BenandAmber Guru Joined: 16/02/2019 Location: United StatesPosts: 961 |
Here in the United States they're trying to say that that company mentioned above is spying on us They're trying to spread that all the drones and phones are collecting our information and spying on us Boy that kind of sounds familiar for some reason be warned i am good parrot but Dumber than a box of rocks |
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| CaptainBoing Guru Joined: 07/09/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2171 |
it seems every tech company has flaws or backdoors in their products... it's just unfortunate for Huawei that they are Chinese and big enough to threaten established tech companies (cough, cough, cisco, cough, apple) and so fall under the current embargo/trade war between the US & China. Now don't get me wrong, I wouldn't trust the chinese government as f... actually no, scrap that... *ANY* government. I am british and our governments havn't exactly covered themselves in glory. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa ... as just one example, besides being really crappy to people who love us and have helped us (Gurhas, Iraqi interpreters Dr David Kelly are a few that spring to mind) |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3470 |
Without full encryption, I doubt that our communications can avoid being snooped. There may be a few non-Chinese who feel otherwise, but I'd rather be watched over by the Five Eyes than by the Chinese or any other government, not that my activities would be of any interest (though they obviously are to Google and Amazon and Apple and Alibaba, and to all of their suppliers/retailers). Unintended back doors are another matter entirely. PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| Paul_L Guru Joined: 03/03/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 769 |
Hmmmmmmmmm. Shades of Herbert Samuel Leon's estate, Bletchley Park, and Alan Turing's work there at cracking the Enigma ... now we have NSA and GCHQ! The British always were linguistically gifted and were excellent lexicographic irregulars, why wouldn't they be great at cracking computer crackers? My attitude is very much different. I think that all speech, by definition, is in fact public, and that it is impossible to ever make it otherwise. That public characteristic of speech extends to all other forms of communication. If you don't want the world to know what you say then don't speak in public ... retreat to a soundproof room for your private utterances. In other words, if you step out of your house and buy stuff in a store the world is entitled to know what you buy. Google and Amazon and all of you guys are entitled to know that I just bought a white fine line permanent paint pen to mark my USB drives with their drive letter. Who cares!!! I don't trust Apple or Alibaba so I don't shop there. As to Chinese enterprises taking unfair advantage of gullible enterprises by appropriating designs and methods ... it's the fault of the gullible enterprises that developed the designs and methods. If you don't want people to know something, then shut up. Paul in NY. |
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| isochronic Guru Joined: 21/01/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 689 |
I have got to the stage where I regard techno-politics as a giant pantomime ! Most of it seems to be driven by government departments or defence projects (which are all exemplary projects that are well run, cost efficient, on-schedule and on-budget of course  ). I posted it because it may mean we have to (gasp) make bespoke pcbs again !! OMG. |
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| Benzol Regular Member  Joined: 07/01/2015 Location: AustraliaPosts: 64 |
I worked for a satellite comms company for 6 years and during that time a very expensive ISDN line with monitoring equipment was installed to call Langley, Virginia with presumably details of calls that was triggered by certain phrases for numbers. It was a very busy line! |
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| BrianP Senior Member  Joined: 30/03/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 292 |
I find all this makes me sad - surely stunts progress...??  I agree with Paul_L 100% B |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3470 |
There are limits to the "Speech wants to be free" (i.e. publicly known) slogan--if in your home a guest wants to know the wifi password, you don't want to have to write it down so that your neighbor's teenager doesn't surf on your dime (or have his meanderings into who knows what attributed to your account). That's among the most insignificant of reasons to hope that our every word is not monitored. And unless you're of the opinion that there should be no such thing as "intellectual property", it seems harsh to blame companies which have thought they were being careful for the snooping of state actors or competitors. Is my bank account pin number "intellectual property"? Well, as the song goes, "Die Gedanken sind frei"--at least for now. PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4134 |
There's a case going through our courts of someone, walking in a public area, who was filmed by the police (for facial recognition and who knows what else), who were recording everyone they could, without any warning or asking for permission. I gather the person is trying to get his images deleted (I think supported by Liberty). There's a good side to that filming & automatic facial recognition (detection of criminals) but considerable downsides. No public debate about this has occurred, let alone acceptance by the public. Bearing in mind pretty much all of our infrastructure uses Windows, if a hacker were to mix up the names & faces without police knowing then mayhem is foreseeable. Fortunately it's probably not data that will be left on a train (as has occurred with medical/tax data, more than once). Oh well... John |
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| CaptainBoing Guru Joined: 07/09/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2171 |
yes this is in Wales. there was also another just recently where a guy covered his face and was fined £90... for breaking no rules... committing no crime. It was all done under a jumped up public order offence because he covered his face when he saw the FR cameras. I have to ask the obvious - what about face coverings for religious/cultural reasons - they must obviously be immune... And then we get police visiting people for something they said on twitter... no crime has been committed but the police visit to "help adjust your thinking". UK is finished. I am very torn about this sort of stuff... yes I understand that it can help detect criminals, and yes I understand that even an unknown can be picked up as a common denominator in a couple of attacks etc. (i.e. he was seen there just before) but this reasoning is not applied universally and fairly and I simply don't trust the government or their agents to use the data wisely, honestly and legally... there are too many instances of the police simply not attending to business - hence the court case in Wales. I think having FR is similar to having DNA taken. Without use, you have a right to be "de-listed". I have to disagree with Paul_L I don't think anyone has the right to know what I am doing simply because they were there to look over my shoulder, only people with a need or agreed access should know what I am doing or saying or writing. It has been shown in animal tests that hyper-scrutiny leads to the breakdown of social cohesiveness. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4633056/Chimps-observed-scientists-change-hunt.html http://madan.org.il/en/news/how-being-watched-changes-you-without-you-knowing |
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| Paul_L Guru Joined: 03/03/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 769 |
1. @BrianP - Anybody who agrees with me 100% is probably as nutty as I am. 2. @lizby - Thoughts might be free but intellectual property is a valid idea. Your good ideas and works should benefit you first, but it is your responsibility to protect them from pilfering, not the responsibility of society or the cops. 3. Captain Boing - Are the cops in Wales beginning to wear black arm bands yet? Nevertheless, I still maintain that if you walk outdoors everyone has the right to watch you. If you don't want to be watched stay inside. If you do go outside don't do questionable things. 4. Make a really funny face and wave at the robot cameras. 5. If you do do questionable things outside make sure they're weird enough so that nobody wants to know why you do them. 6. If you can grow a beard then grow a beard. Shaving facial hair is just another form of perversion. Good luck figuring out which of the above points I'm serious about. Paul in NY |
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| BrianP Senior Member Joined: 30/03/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 292 |
Paul_L wrote  |
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| isochronic Guru Joined: 21/01/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 689 |
... "with certain unalienable Rights, and that among these are the right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness" ... Something I wish Aus politicians would read. ed - the point being, I think liberty extends to the confidence and freedom of not having your information used to control or coerce you in any way. |
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| Paul_L Guru Joined: 03/03/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 769 |
But doesn't that mean that you are restricting the rights of the individual who received your information to use his newfound knowledge? .... We could continue this for months. Paul in NY |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4134 |
Restricting in the sense that it should not be used to coerce or blackmail (or whatever) the individual whose data it was, yes. An individual (or mega corporation) should not be using another individual's data against that individual, especially not in a covert or underhanded manner. Yet that is exactly what farcebook, google, et al are doing. And they aggressively avoid paying their way (paying their taxes) as well, causing harm. (Eventually they'll be stopped - as the railroads, big oil, etc were. It's not a win for anyone that it goes that way, however.) John |
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