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Forum Index : Microcontroller and PC projects : MaxiMite or Maximite - my OCD was triggered (sorry!)
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| GregZone Senior Member  Joined: 22/05/2020 Location: New ZealandPosts: 114 |
I'll apologise in advance for this somewhat trivial post. Not really an excuse, but I put it down to my seemingly OCD / perfectionist tendancies.  Yes, I'm one of those makers who finds it essential to orientate all resistors the same way around (yes even the tiny hard to read SMD's must have their value markings orientated correctly!), otherwise it bugs me! LOL So, to the point of my post... I'm new around here, so perhaps just seeing things with fresh eyes and just getting used to things "Mite". With my new CMM2 it seems to bug me every time I switch it on and see the colour "MaxiMite" logo (yes, the logo has two capital M's), but then immediately below it the text "Maximite" (single capital M). Yes, I know, I should take some chill pills.  Don't get me wrong, I really do like the awesome colour MaxiMite logo!  This "Maximite" (which I see Geoff uses in his descriptions), is a single word. Whereas the logo "MaxiMite" is more akin to two adjoined words. ie. as in Maxi-Mite. I further note that the "MM" in MMBasic, and the "MM" in the commonly used CMM2 abbreviation, more clearly associates with the "MaxiMite" variant (two adjoined words). Otherwise, if the single word "Maximite" is the correct name, then you'd expect "MBasic", and a "CM2" references! ie. "Colour Maximite 2" abbreviates to CM2, "Maximite Basic" shortens to MBasic. "Colour MaxiMite 2" abbreviates to CMM2, "MaxiMite Basic" shortens to MMBasic. Yes, I know... it's a totally insignificant observation. But with my apparent OCD affliction, I just had to get it off my chest.  Okay... nothing more to see here... move along... back to more productive things and more useful thoughts!  |
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SimpleSafeName Guru  Joined: 28/07/2019 Location: United StatesPosts: 351 |
Good thing I'm not OCD, or I would have been bugged by the spare "u" floating around in the word "Colour". It seems to afflict certain areas more than others...  If only I had a hex editor *cough* HxD *cough*. And if I were to use it, I would look around, oh say, 9CDC7 and make that an uppercase "m". Wink, wink. :) If nothing else, you will find out if there is a checksum in the file.  |
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Chopperp Guru Joined: 03/01/2018 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1106 |
Hey Greg, I sent you a PM yesterday. BTW, is the colour (color) between black & white gray or grey? Brian Edited 2020-06-23 15:53 by Chopperp ChopperP |
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| Decoy Senior Member Joined: 02/08/2019 Location: DenmarkPosts: 109 |
Well, GregZone is right. When I have to type Maximite (like now) I am unsure which is correct. It goes against every thesis I have assisted or any scientific review I have been part of. Whether MaxiMite or Maximite is "correct" is not as important as consistency. I think one should be chosen for good. I prefer: Colour Maximite, Maximite, CM2, MBasic. But this is probably more realistic: Colour MaxiMite, MaxiMite, CMM2, MMBasic  Edited 2020-06-23 16:15 by Decoy |
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| GregZone Senior Member Joined: 22/05/2020 Location: New ZealandPosts: 114 |
Hey Brian. Thanks, I've just replied (and now have notifcations ticked). Well, after years of participation in forums, I tend to automatically type Color / Gray / Theater spelling when on an American hosted forum, otherwise I use our local (NZ) more British based english Colour / Grey / Theatre spelling. As I'm a long time Home Theatre enthusiast, Color & Theater were common intentional "misspellings" I'd often adhere to, to avoid confusing the American folk. |
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| GregZone Senior Member Joined: 22/05/2020 Location: New ZealandPosts: 114 |
exhales ... I now feel so much more at ease, knowing I'm not alone in my thinking. I agree, the issue is fundamentally about consistency.  I also prefer: Colour Maximite, Maximite, CM2, MBasic (it just looks / feels right). Which would mean that the logo would need a small middle "m" amendment, for consistency. |
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| Decoy Senior Member Joined: 02/08/2019 Location: DenmarkPosts: 109 |
Thanks for opening the party  However, there is a problem with MBasic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBASIC |
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Geoffg Guru Joined: 06/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 3308 |
As it happens, I prefer Maximite but Nickolas Marentes who designed the logo eight years ago used MaxiMite and I was so taken with his artwork that I did not have the courage to ask him to change it. So, now we have MaxiMite as the logo and Maximite for everything else. As one politician said "life was not meant to be easy"!  Geoff Graham - http://geoffg.net |
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| BrianP Senior Member Joined: 30/03/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 292 |
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Poppy Guru Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
I think the 2 capitals are quite fine (as well as the more sophisticated appearing british "Colour"!) I rather stick to the OED (than OCD, just for the sake of the acronym ) and it tells me that a "mite" is a "small thing" (rather than any itching acarid).So according to the whole "family" all members are "Mites", the Maxi-Mite next to the Micro-Mites, therefore the double capitals support the emphasizing pronunciation and looks better than any hyphen. Going back to the Maximite-Story the first one was called "The Mighty Mite", so originally "the Mite" was the basic word ever since. And if there was not this Vegemite issue ... it probably could still be the mighty one. So actually the "Maximite" seems to be wrong not the other way around, though names can change any time, of course! And life definitly is not easy and most time it makes no sense at all, and what ever makes sense to one doesnīt have to do to others, so everything is open and equal. But this way all originals are also easy to manage in abbreviation: MM ĩM CMM 1/2 And as Decoy already pointed out MMBasic is no MBasic! If we look at the new CMM2 than we can see that its hardware is just a peripherical expansion of a complete autonomous board, so the real core of the this Mite is the MMBASIC, the software or actually we can call it Operating System. (I would even call a Raspberry Pi running MMBasic a RPiMite!) So the actual name can just be derived from the MMBasic and this needs to be "MM" for being different to Microsoftīs "M". And donīt get me wrong, this hardware-setup being completely independent from any SMD soldering makes an important difference to the CMM1 and therefore it is essential for any success! Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
| GregZone Senior Member Joined: 22/05/2020 Location: New ZealandPosts: 114 |
Thanks @Poppy for a well considered write-up. I seem to have started a bit of a conversation.  It was awesome to also see @Geoffg jump-in to explain the background to this logo inconsistency. It's nice to now understand how this came about. |
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| Poppy Guru Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
We all are just sharing and elaborating some thoughts and this does not have to but it is able to cause development in any way. So thanks for bringing up this issue, because, before checking up the idiomatic meaning of "mite" (really in the big OED) probably meaning "little thing", I was bound to the zoological one and this was quite misleading for me. Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
| Poppy Guru Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
I think this is just a matter of being really focused on what someone is doing having a better overview straight and therefore less sources of error later on! But trying to be adequately focused myself from the beginning it really bugs me if I find a mistake (including any simply flipped resistor and such stuff) later for definitely being not my intention. Of cause we can go a fast and dirty way soldering, but then it generally should be supposed to! ... and otherwise as long as it reliably works for having clean joints AND there is a nontransparent case around it ... Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
| SimpleSafeName Guru Joined: 28/07/2019 Location: United StatesPosts: 351 |
Hee hee. I couldn't resist. :) If truth be told, this difference in spelling can be laid at the feet of Daniel Webster (the dictionary guy). He felt that: a) We needed something to accentuate the difference between the US and England. b) Your average American wasn't clever enough to get the spelling correct unless it was dumbed down for them. I strongly suspect that "b" was the real reason. And judging by the number of folks that can't seem to get "lose" and "loose" correct, he didn't go far enough. :) |
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| Chopperp Guru Joined: 03/01/2018 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1106 |
The only way I remember is that you LOSE the "O" ChopperP |
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| Poppy Guru Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
I think making language easier will make all users dumber. Learning by making mistakes ... well includes "Learning"! ... oa wee kood oll frite asits sowntz ... This is the tiny introduction of the huge "colour"-part of the OED (2nd. Ed, 1989):  AFr. = Anglo-French OE = Old English (Anglo-Saxon) ME = Middle English L. = Latin ... It is the same you can find in the 1st. Ed. of the OED from 1888, which you can download here for free as searchable facsimiles: https://archive.org/details/oed11_201407 So apparently "Colour" is closer to French and "Color" actually to farer Latin, but I also think that Webster did not want to raise it up to its historical roots. Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
| SimpleSafeName Guru Joined: 28/07/2019 Location: United StatesPosts: 351 |
It really is a pet peeve of mine. And this is coming from someone who was rocking a 1.2 GPA in high school. Not exactly Oxford material... Or as I like to put it: "I'm just a product of the public education system". |
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| Poppy Guru Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
Nope, the public education system is a product of our responsibility as citizens of the individual state we live in. Also the german language dumbs down, the last language revision brought us to writing "dolphin" with a "f" ... ... and some more ridiculousnessīsssīsssīssss Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
| Paul_L Guru Joined: 03/03/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 769 |
Watsamatta wid youse guys .... it's a LIVING language. Like we sed in Bruklin when I wuz growing up .... fuhgedaboutdit. MicroMite and MMBasic are both trade names and, as such, and basically exempt from grammatical and lexicographic rules! CocaCola doesn't contain cocaine. And Geoff is correct in that the logo is attention getting. The socialistic public education system is largely a product of the teacher's unions and lazy politicians. I, having attended a catholic elementary school, a private (profit making) high school, and three Ivy League universities, feel very fortunate in that I never attended a public (which means government owned here in the states) school. Paul in NY |
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| SimpleSafeName Guru Joined: 28/07/2019 Location: United StatesPosts: 351 |
No, I think that limiting your population to only one language (looking at us, USA), makes people not nearly as smart as they could be. In my house, my roommates speak Spanish. While their kids (also my roommates I suppose), speak Spanish and English. They have since birth. Not having much of a choice in the matter. Learning two languages from birth does funny developmental things to your brain. "Funny" as in "Better". The kids are whizzes at math, and excel in art and music as well. It also "primes" your brain for learning additional languages later on in life. My brother and I were both born in Germany, which mostly means that I have a birth certificate that I can't read. And that I can't be elected president (be thankful America). We left when I was two years old, and Tom when he was one year old. My three older sisters were there as well. And our German housekeeper, Irma, taught my sisters enough German that learning French, Spanish, and even more German, was a snap for my sister Lynn. For me, each new word in Spanish is a labor (or labour, depending on your preference) of love. But mostly it's just laborious. But after 17 years of *really* total immersion, I can handle myself nicely in Mexico. However, my German is limited to, how shall I put it? "One who has affectionate relations with a chicken". :) |
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