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palcal

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Posted: 07:45pm 05 Feb 2021
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I'm looking at getting an SSD for my workshop desktop. Can anyone recommend a brand. I see there is Western Digital blue and green, Samsung, SanDisc, Kingston etc.

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ajkw
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Posted: 08:16pm 05 Feb 2021
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I have put several SSD's in various computers.  Haven't had a failure yet.  Most have been Samsung EVO 840 or 850's

In about an hour a particular remote computer will wake up,  I will check how much data it has read/write and post.

Cheers,
Anthony.
 
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Posted: 08:32pm 05 Feb 2021
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Hi,
I would prefer (the outdated) Samsung 850 PRO.
           Product Warranty Policy (Period or TBW)
512GB/1TB 10 years or 300 TB TBW.

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Michael
Edited 2021-02-06 06:36 by twofingers
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Davo99
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I have had  a couple of samsungs, 850 EVO's for about 5 years now.
Never an issue at all..... Unlike the multiple failures I have had with standard drives in that time.

Never run a computer so long without having to do an os reinstall.
 
ajkw
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Smart Data for a 860EVO a couple of years old with 9TB data written.



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bigmik

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Posted: 01:17am 06 Feb 2021
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Paul,

I would go with Samsung, get an EVO 860/960/970 depending on budget and prices.

I have had 2 SSD die on me (both OCZ brand, one under warranty the replacement later, so I would avoid them).

BEWARE!! When an SSD dies you lose EVERYTHING with NO WARNING as opposed to most HDD failures where you generally suspect something is going wrong days before it goes and have `some' chance of resurrecting important data.

I have a M.2 NVME 1TB drive in my system and I have a USB-C 1TB NVME drive in a small case that I plug in and do regular IMAGE backups.. so at worst case I have approx. 1 month of data I can lose..
In that eventuality, I can simply use the drive I imaged to and buy a new backup drive.

I store important data onto a permanent 5TB SATA drive and also to a network drive.. Hopefully I wont lose data ever again... (wishful thinking methinks... Murphy says... likely the drive will die as I am about do a backup)

I have found SSD to be generally as reliable, or more reliable, than HDD so it isnt much of a risk providing you keep to a regular backup plan.

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Plasmamac

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Samsung Evo 8xx . Its great
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palcal

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Thanks to all,  I have ordered an 860EVO.

Edit.  It did die suddenly, it was a 500Gb Seagate, luckily I had almost all backed up.

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Edited 2021-02-06 12:12 by palcal
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ajkw
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Posted: 02:33am 06 Feb 2021
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  Quote  BEWARE!! When an SSD dies you lose EVERYTHING with NO WARNING as opposed to most HDD failures where you generally suspect something is going wrong days before it goes and have `some' chance of resurrecting important data.


Actually Mick maybe not.  I just watched a guy on Youtube fix tracks on a MircoSD card and recover the data.  He also replaced the controller chip on a USB stick and recovered the data.  Like a platter on a HDD the memory bits may well still exist and is then just a question of finding someone good enough to get them (and pay them ).


MicroSD


USB Stick

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Grogster

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Usually, if you enable SMART on your SSD(all modern OS's support that), then SMART can make you aware of any issues it detects with an SSD, giving you a chance to copy your files off it before it dies.

You are quite correct though - SSD's can just die, without giving any HDD-like symptoms.  As with ANY workstation though, you should always have multiple redundant backups of your important files, and everyone SHOULD do that as a routine so that if/when their main workstation dies, rebuild and copy the files back from one of the backups.  Unfortunately though, many don't do that, and when the drive dies....

Running only one set of files on the workstation you use with no backups, is a recipe for disaster.

Also not a bad idea to install the drive maker's diagnostic software.  That can also often help tell you if the drive is getting near end of life etc.
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PilotPirx

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Posted: 10:35am 06 Feb 2021
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I can recommend Samsung EVO series. No Problems..
We tested the Kingston SKC600 in our company, should also be a good choice.
But buy as soon as possible, prices and delivery times for flash memory are skyrocketing at the moment
Edited 2021-02-06 20:47 by PilotPirx
 
Tinine
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Posted: 03:39pm 06 Feb 2021
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I pay the most basic fee for Dropbox and I have 2TB of storage. I sync all important folders. One of the bonus features is that; I accidentally delete a file? No problem because Dropbox makes something like up to 12 archive copies of previous versions. This has saved me from disaster.
 
Grogster

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I used to have that 2TB Dropbox.  I had to get rid of it, cos Dropbox won't allow you to sync to a network drive, only the local machine.  My local machine is one of those tiny Intel NUC's with 1TB SSD, but I need twice as much space to sync to.

I hate to suggest MS products, but OneDrive gives you 5GB standard for free...

I run both Dropbox free(2GB) and OneDrive and save files to both of those cloud-based service, also a local USB and also a couple of places on my LAN as well as locally on the machine itself.  I like to be very sure as some of those files represent hundreds and hundreds of hours work - all my various CAD stuff basically, but documents also.

The thought of losing all that due to a system failure is too horrific to imagine.
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Chopperp

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  Grogster said  I hate to suggest MS products, but OneDrive gives you 5GB standard for free...


I deleted OneDrive on principle, but you reckon it is OK, I might re-install & activate it. MS Office only does auto backups to OD which sort of put me off.

Thanks

Edit. Found you have to have the doco on OD in the first place to Auto backup. Bugger. I like it on the local PC somewhere.

Also, can't autosave encrypted files..

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Edited 2021-02-07 12:43 by Chopperp
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Tinine
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I guess the point I was making is that it's near impossible to lose a file with the extra functionality of the paid-for Dropbox.
If you delete a file on your PC and it then syncs with the cloud storage, you have lost it forever but not the case for me. Dropbox has already made a backup of the deleted file and IIRC, it keeps a history of something like 12 versions. Each time I save, Dropbox doesn't simply overwrite the file, it creates a new one and preserves the previous, in case of an "oh sh1t"  
 
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I ended up paying for Office 360 (about A$120/year) and that gave me 1TB of OneDrive storage (in addition to MS Office).  I then setup my Synology NAS to automatically copy any new or changed files (in nominated directories) to OneDrive.  Finally OneDrive keeps a copy of any old files for 30 days in case you want to recover from that "oh sh*t" moment.

This costs a modest amount but it is amazingly convenient, within a few seconds of me saving a file it has been copied to the cloud.  All done automatically with no intervention and it is so easy to recover any files if I need to.

Not for everyone but great for peace of mind.

Edit:  I just noticed that the forum software converted a four letter word to sh*t.  Cute.  Reminds me of the Netflix comedy "The Good Place" where the inhabitants were unable to say another four letter word (it was changed to "fork" as they said it).

Geoff
Edited 2021-02-07 21:11 by Geoffg
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elk1984

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Posted: 07:35pm 08 Feb 2021
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  Geoffg said  I ended up paying for Office 360 (about A$120/year) and that gave me 1TB of OneDrive storage (in addition to MS Office).  I then setup my Synology NAS to automatically copy any new or changed files (in nominated directories) to OneDrive.  Finally OneDrive keeps a copy of any old files for 30 days in case you want to recover from that "oh sh*t" moment.

This costs a modest amount but it is amazingly convenient, within a few seconds of me saving a file it has been copied to the cloud.  All done automatically with no intervention and it is so easy to recover any files if I need to.

Not for everyone but great for peace of mind.

Edit:  I just noticed that the forum software converted a four letter word to sh*t.  Cute.  Reminds me of the Netflix comedy "The Good Place" where the inhabitants were unable to say another four letter word (it was changed to "fork" as they said it).

Geoff


It'll be blocking users from Sc**thorpe next
 
elk1984

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  elk1984 said  
  Geoffg said  I ended up paying for Office 360 (about A$120/year) and that gave me 1TB of OneDrive storage (in addition to MS Office).  I then setup my Synology NAS to automatically copy any new or changed files (in nominated directories) to OneDrive.  Finally OneDrive keeps a copy of any old files for 30 days in case you want to recover from that "oh sh*t" moment.

This costs a modest amount but it is amazingly convenient, within a few seconds of me saving a file it has been copied to the cloud.  All done automatically with no intervention and it is so easy to recover any files if I need to.

Not for everyone but great for peace of mind.

Edit:  I just noticed that the forum software converted a four letter word to sh*t.  Cute.  Reminds me of the Netflix comedy "The Good Place" where the inhabitants were unable to say another four letter word (it was changed to "fork" as they said it).

Geoff


It'll be blocking users from Sc**thorpe next


Oh, it already has, and it mangled the URL in the process!

Here's another go!
 
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