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palcal

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This is driving me mad, it has been trying to install for 2 weeks. I paused updates for a week and now it's back. It just fails to complete with an error 0x8007001f.
It's on a laptop that was upgraded from Win10. I even deleted the download and downloaded again. I have over 300Gb spare on the hard drive.
Can I get rid of it or even roll back to Win10.
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Hi Paul,

I had exactly that scenario when W11 wanted to update me from W10.

It would kick off automatically then start `updating' and at around the 78% mark (roughly 1 hour in) it would fail and the restore my old W10 with an error like yours that doctor google says is "a device is no longer available".

If I had hair I would have pulled it out by now.. This would happen every week until I was so sick of it I did a clean install of W11.

You may have to do similar.

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palcal

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Thanks Mick.
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Marcel27

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Posted: 05:07am 26 Jan 2025
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Hi Paul,

A long time ago I inserted a key in my registry and it never asked me again to upgrade. However, the last time I read about Microsoft AI companion (Win11) and the case that this year the support for Win10 will stop I switched yesterday to Linux Ubuntu 24.04.01 LTS for my main computer. This was something that bothers me for years and I am not a supporter for Microsoft products. It took me some time to revoke my licenses but now my NUC8i7 is running Linux. It runs twice the speed of Microsoft, it amazingly fast.

I checked the consequences for my installed software and found out that I only use 20% of the installed programs. For a lot of my software there are equivalent programs and for others that need Windows I'll use Wine. Not installed yet but there must be a good reason to install it.

If the PICO and PICO2 runs on Ubuntu I don't know.

For you I hope you will find a solution for this problem. I would add the key to the registry and stay on Win10. Windows companion takes snap shots from your screen and there is a keylogger installed, and that is the last thing I would want to use.

Regards, Marcel
Edited 2025-01-26 15:07 by Marcel27
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palcal

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I've already upgraded to win 11 this is the 24H2 update. I've paused updates for 5 weeks, I'll search for a way to permanently disable.
I'd swith to Linux but this machine is also used by my daughter who would not like that.  All told Microsoft Wondows is crap, if it would just work every time and didn't have big brother telling you what to do with YOUR computer it might be OK.
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If I change over to linux can I just save all my documents etc. from windows to a hard drive then download them to linux.

I tried Linux Mint years ago and was put off by having to use the command line and from memory had to join some group to do certain things, it just wasn't very user friendly.
Also had problems with using the USB ports and a terminal.
But interested to give it a go again on the machine in my workshop.
Edited 2025-01-26 16:16 by palcal
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Marcel27

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Posted: 09:23am 26 Jan 2025
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I was also very hesitated to switch to Linux. In the past I tried Linux Mint but had problems with upgrading. I had an old laptop with Ubuntu 22, I did not look at it for a year. Two days ago I switched it on. It is a HP Pavilion G7 and did a software update. Everything ran smooth. At the end it also told me there was new Ubuntu 24 version and asked me to upgrade. I was curious if it could manage the upgrade from 22 to 24. I was surprised that it ran very smooth. I played a little with Ubuntu 24.04.1 and this gave me sufficient information to decide to switch from Windows 10 to Ubuntu on my main Intel NUC8i7 (2019). It is old enough to have all drivers provided in Ubuntu. As I said I checked all the software and made a back-up of all my data, revoked all licenses it used for Windows, Office 2013, ESET. I downloaded the latest LTS Ubuntu image and made a bootable image on a memory usb stick with Rufus and booted the NUC. There was a message that I had to disable bitlocker on my windows drive so I had to reboot in Windows. Disabled bitlocker, took a while to decript, and booted again from the USB stick. After that all went fine. I choose a basic install and are building on top that.

Bluetooth works. The first time it takes some time to connect but once paired it is fast. I can access my Philips BT for the connection with my amplifier. My JBL Bluetooth headphone works. Spotify works. I read that my Sony reader could have some trouble but even this old piece of junk (2012) works like a charm with Calibre. I synct my books on it with a DRM ID on Windows, but I can put my current e-books in the Calibre library and they sync. I do not know where my DRM ID had gone but it works. Maybe it remembers something from the hardware of my Intel NUC.

So far so good. I am impressed by the speed of my NUC now. Under Windows, even with an I7, 16MB memory and SSD it was sometimes slow.

The next step is installing something like Putty and test if a PICO is recognized.

Under Windows I had an ESET Internet Security license but when I go to MyEset it tells me that Linux is not supported and Ubuntu tells me that Linux is pretty safe when it comes to viruses but I do not trust it. Need to look for some internet security stuff. I've seen too much browser attacks even under Windows with ESET when I search for amplifier service manuals.

An answer to your question. I copied all my data to an external 1 Gb Samsung 2.5" drive. My NUC had also a second 2.5" 500 MB Tochiba drive in, it with was formatted under Windows. I can read and write the files on both devices under Ubuntu, no problems encountered.

Regards, Marcel
Edited 2025-01-26 19:33 by Marcel27
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Mixtel90

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Download it and try it as a "live filesystem", running from the installation medium instead of installing it. You'll find that it's moved on a lot. Run in this mode it's quite slow as all the ancillary programs have to be loaded as needed, but it doesn't leave anything on your hard drive.
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Marcel27

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And do not access the Windows drive under Ubuntu in the test mode. I did that and I had to get my bitlocker key from my Microsoft account to get Windows running again.

It asked me to provide a password. I thought it would be my Windows password but that didn't work and afterwards bitlocker complained that the key was changed.
Edited 2025-01-26 19:45 by Marcel27
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Volhout
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Posted: 11:30am 26 Jan 2025
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@Marcel27,

Mmedit/Mmcc run on linux. Great ide.
If you want to run windows programs on linux, use PLayonlinux. This is essentially Wine, but can configure Wine for you more or less aitomatic.
In many cases it is click to run.

Volhout
Edited 2025-01-26 21:31 by Volhout
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it is certainly very important to backup ALL of your data to a local external storage device before attempting to switch over to a different operating system. i would also offer the same advice if upgrading from one version of Linux to another.

i've been playing around on the "Ask Ubuntu" Q&A site recently, and to be honest i'm somewhat put off by the way Canonical have Ubuntu set up. the feel i get is that they have taken something 'free' (Linux) and are trying to package it up into a subscription model. LTS releases happen every 2 years, and without you joining up to an extra 'maintenance program', support for each LTS version appears to be cut of sharply after 5 years. while there are releases between those LTS ones, they only have a support life of 9 months! not to mention - and please do correct me if i am wrong - it looks like you need to register your Ubuntu installation with Canonical.

for the past 6 years or so i've been very happy with Linux Mint XFCE. each release is more polished than the last, and while there are a few 'incantations' needed to set up things initially, it is easy enough to just keep them in a text file that prints out on a single page. for me, this is things like enabling serial port access, turning off window rollup, fixing the order of programs on the taskbar, etc.


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Marcel27

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Rob,

About the Ubuntu setup, I have no idea how Canonical it does. If it works, it works, and that is enough for me. I have no subscription and do not need a subscription to run, that is only for the pro version. If I get in trouble with this distro I switch simply to another Linux distro.

I have all my data on external drives. I switched a lot of distro's on my laptop in the past from small bare bones Linux types to Mint 18, 19, 20. I didn't like Mint because of the many problems I had with updating and installing programs, but that is all personal. Only simple things will run under my fingers.... Now I came much further than I've been with Mint.

At the moment I like Ubuntu 24.04.1 and when it runs the programs I need I'm happy.

I'm also happy I got rid of Microsoft Windows 10, finally after 33 years........ I started in 1992 with that crap OS.

Regards, Marcel
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Posted: 05:12pm 26 Jan 2025
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Linux is always free. Generally the distros are also free. The subscription model tends to be aimed at business and commercial use where it is important to have technical support available. Effectively you are paying for the support. There may be some minor differences in the commercial versions, but it is usually to do with making them as stable and secure as possible - not things that hobby users are too interested in usually.

For home use the LTS version soon gets out of date. :)
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palcal

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Got it all ready, had a web site explaining all steps but I can't get it to boot from the external drive.  I'm going to buy a second hand computer and install Ubuntu on it.
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Marcel27

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You have to change the startup sequence in de UEFI/BIOS, most of the time F2 or DEL when the computer is booting. Locate the boot sequence and set it for USB drive.
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Marcel27

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  Mixtel90 said  For home use the LTS version soon gets out of date. :)


Thanks for the info.

I checked the release scheme of Ubuntu LTS and for me that will suffice.

Regards, Marcel
Edited 2025-01-27 20:14 by Marcel27
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FWIW:

Still loving Superlite
 
Mixtel90

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Excellent. :)  Love it until Microsoft start the updates that make it incompatible with everything else, including your file system. ;)

I have a feeling of magnetic attraction between this box and Mint. :)
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  Mixtel90 said  Excellent. :)  Love it until Microsoft start the updates


Well the whole point is to stop the updates along with a load of other claptrap :)

I have:

WIN10 Superlite (my favourite)

WIN10 Standard where I had the problem of constantly updating but the update failed and would have to undo the update. I found a way to stop that.

WIN11 I planned to make this Superlite also but I procrastinated and so it's still standard WIN11.

WINXP On my Panasonic Toughbook....still love this thing. Lots of ports (incl RS232), locking metal doors, everything is quick-change.  
 
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Phenix, Marcel,

I still think Windows is great. It glues the world together. It is essential to our existence even. As is android.

I just started using linux because I owned a netbook (yes, those mini laptops from just after the millenium). And it came with XP, 1G RAM, and it worked fine. I traveled a lot and thought this was easy to take with me on a plane. And then it got the mandatory update......
And it became so unresponsive that it was simply unusable. You had to wait 10 seconds to see if an app started, clicked again, then had 2 apps open, and the speed went down another notch..

That was the reason I even started looking at linux. That crippled netbook.
And to be honest, I am a slow learner.

My wife's first laptop, came with an early W10 home edition.. And exactly the same happened, as soon as we unpacked, it did the mandatory update and... I went back to the shop, and told them what happened. They revoked the update, disabled updates, and since then the laptop has been "unsafe" but working.
But we bought her a bigger beefier newer one 1 year later, not risking anything. And the unsafe W10 laptop is still in the drawer, charged once per year to keep it alive. But no-one is using it.

For me it has been mainly linux since these debacles..

Again, windows is great, but I have been bitten and have grown averse against it.

Volhout
Edited 2025-01-28 17:54 by Volhout
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