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OA47 Guru  Joined: 11/04/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 981 |
I am dismayed at the morals of our favorite video provider in that if a tuber uploads anything slightly incorrect they get slammed, such as a couple of notes of a copyright tune in the background but they allow advertisements that are completely advertising products that are seen as a complete lie. Here is a screen shot of one I have had to put up with recently  The videos show the device doing some amazing welding/cutting of heavy steel and other stuff but I you look at the product in the above add the handle clearly says its a soldering iron not a laser welder or anything else and is clearly false advertising. Where is this type of advertising leading to? OA47 |
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Supertech Newbie  Joined: 13/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 34 |
That is now standard advertizing. It is for sales only, otherwise unbelievable, yes 100% lies. There is truckloads out there. I see this kind of thing constantly. The other day I needed a simple audio amplifier module of ~10Watts from 12vdc just to drive some alarm type 8ohm 5W speakers. Try buying that in AU! Easy yes? No way. So just do a Google search. Mr.Ebay has plenty LM386 powered ones stated at 5Watts!!!! Wow, not bad for a maybe 800mW capable device! Usual lies. One well known Auto parts store sells a well known Germany brand designed auto connectors, depackages them, puts in own invented brand named package, as if they made it, and then sells with 70% markup right here in Australia. Sneeky illegal practices, because that store amongst others were 'bought out' by a 'stock marketing conglomerate that needs to perform in massive profit Australia sold into. In fact ALL exept one auto parts have joined in this stock profit system Completely unknown to customers that might happen to need just a connector. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. Its all trumped stock marketing system the whole world must be in to compete with there stock exchange. Why Euro was invented for European comerse. So time for lie sales. Beware! Just ignore. I feel your frustration completely. Regards. Supertech. |
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palcal Guru Joined: 12/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1959 |
I bought a stereo valve pre-amp., turned out the valves did nothing, they had leds underneath to light them up. "It is better to be ignorant and ask a stupid question than to be plain Stupid and not ask at all" |
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| PhenixRising Guru Joined: 07/11/2023 Location: United KingdomPosts: 1133 |
 Audiophiles will probably still buy them and swear that they get greater spatial definition |
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Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7458 |
My headphone amp has blue LEDs to light up it's two ECC82s. :) Mind you, those are active input valves. The heaters also form the ballast resistors for mosfet source-follower output stages driven from the anodes. It looks pretty and sounds very nice as the Class A mosfet heatsinks warm the room up. :) (Look for the "Starving student" headphone amp for full details). I've seen the reviews of some of those Chinese so-called "valve" amps. I'm not impressed at all. Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9455 |
Caveat Emptor - Buyer beware. If something looks/sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Although, in the case of THAT ad, it is really just a blatant lie to catch the ignorant, but again....Caveat Emptor! Look at all the 2TB flash drives on eBay or AE, which sell for a couple of bucks each....and turn out to be 2GB or even LESS, but they report as 2TB to the OS. This kind of thing, I don't think you will EVER be able to stop, so it becomes more a case of educating the uneducated, that there are a plethora of scams and lies out there on many of those sites, ready and willing to scam you out of your cash. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| zeitfest Guru Joined: 31/07/2019 Location: AustraliaPosts: 549 |
And it was Microsoft compatible, right ?  |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3298 |
When searching on aliexpress, some of the ads are lies and some are (more or less) accurate. But my experience is that when some piece of advertising just pops up (or is sent to you by email), there's about a 95% likelihood that it's a lie and the price given does not refer to the item pictured. Regarding the use by Chinese vendors of the word "welding", for the category of stuff we microprocessor users are searching for, it almost always means "soldering". I don't think in that context it should be considered "a lie"--more nearly a mistranslation that has somehow become universal in Chinese microprocessor product representations. PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7458 |
This is true. If you are asking a Chinese company about something to do with soldering it's always better to refer to it as welding. I wonder if it's the same meaning in (possibly simplified) Chinese? "The joining of metals" or something. Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| OA47 Guru Joined: 11/04/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 981 |
The video shows the unit clearly welding heavy steel so I can't excuse the soldering/welding term and there is no way that it can cut metal or clean rust away. OA47 |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9455 |
Agreed. I sometimes get asked by the likes of JLC, when I submit gerbers for panels - such as the case panels for the CMM2 computer - about welding: "Cover both sides with soldermask ink - cannot weld." That's usually one of the two or three options presented, and I reply using their terminology: "Option 1, please - cannot weld." I've noticed that a-lot, actually - they refer to soldering almost universally as "Welding" in the English question they send. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7458 |
I found an online English-Chinese dictionary. "Solder" and "Weld" verbs can both use the same pair of characters. They don't have to and also change with context, but that's the most common situation. Solder (Chinese) Weld (Chinese) Doesn't excuse the lying ad though. :) . Edited 2025-04-23 16:40 by Mixtel90 Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| tritonium Newbie Joined: 16/06/2018 Location: United KingdomPosts: 22 |
Hi This guy has the REAL device- its a laser and costs $$$£££ And its super scary- hate to think what it could do in the wrong hands.... Dave Edited 2025-04-23 19:44 by tritonium |
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bigmik Guru Joined: 20/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2944 |
Hi All, I saw the ad Graeme was referring to just the other day. If you want to see it the link is. >>> HERE <<< I hate such lies in advertising, the internet is full of it Regards, Mick . Mick's uMite Stuff can be found >>> HERE (Kindly hosted by Dontronics) <<< |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3298 |
The tip in the original post is totally different from the tip in the welding video.  The original looks like a standard "Hakko"-style tip. The second, of who knows what product, might actually weld (or might well not). Nothing, of course, justifies any implication that the first will do what the second does. (Anyone else notice how far superior today's soldering iron tips are to the tips from 25 years ago--for instance, the Radio Shack tips (which were themselves better than those available 20 years before that)). PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7458 |
I have a lovely old Solon 25W iron, unused and in it's original packaging (it's never had a plug on it) in the shed. I'm not going to switch it on to see how well its tip works. lol I remember that they took a lot longer than 10 seconds to heat up! I'm currently torn between keeping my trusty temperature-controlled Duratool or splashing out on one of the cheaper-end T12 systems. I think they would be better for the more fiddly soldering that I seem to be doing now. Back on topic - This is the X1-Pro prototype being reviewed. Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| Andrew_G Guru Joined: 18/10/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 867 |
Hi all, I still have my late-former-father-in-law's soldering iron almost identical to the ad. above. I've had it for 50+ years. (It's in a box somewhere). The weight of the spool of solder made it a bit clumsy but it was OK for what I did then. Andrew (Edit: I've now looked at Big Mick's video - I HAVE to get one of the real devices . . .) Edited 2025-04-24 17:41 by Andrew_G |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 7458 |
For those that get confused with the yellow "Soldron" iron, this is the real deal. Note the incredible inefficiency of design, the suave chunkyness of the Bakelite handle and the meltable wire!  Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| tritonium Newbie Joined: 16/06/2018 Location: United KingdomPosts: 22 |
Hi again- I posted this and missed off the link... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_S1d0AYW1s worth a watch.. Dave |
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| Supertech Newbie Joined: 13/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 34 |
Similar theme.... I needed SMD (Surface Mounted Device) flux of course in it's format requirement for those tiny devices. So I googled to find my trusty local Jaycar Electronics (now gagets store) "had it exatly, in syringe specific to its pirpose use need". Doh! Out of stock AND replaced by....!! Um, who on earth autherized its replacement as this!,  I think they finnaly rectifed this ludicrous offer, but clearly chinesed for sale as 'replaced item' not even close to product required. Great for plumbers! In questioning this at store, they had no idea of even what it was for? And this ruined my day to get use it.  |
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