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MicroBlocks Guru  Joined: 12/05/2012 Location: ThailandPosts: 2209 |
I installed Windows 10 two days ago and it was not very successful. The installation itself was good, only working with windows was very buggy. The most problems i had was with explorer. It hanged constantly and even taskmanager hangs, so i was not able to kill some programs and the only way to get it 'working' again was a power off/on cycle. Uploading files in a browser also caused it to hang as at the moment i pressed the 'browse' button to select a file the dialog did not show and caused a complete hang. This amazed me as surely basic functionality like windows explorer and task manager should work. My thought was that it must be a program that worked in 8.1 was incompatible with windows 10 that caused it. I rolled the update back to my previous windows 8.1 which worked flawlessly. Thinking about a little it dawned on me that i had a few programs that added themselves to the context menu of windows explorer. Right clicking on a file or folder will then give you extra functions, like winrar, or in my case Git, Agent Ransack, irFanView and some more. Those are programs that inject themselves as a kind of plugin to the file explorer and i thought with the problems i had that those might be the culprit. I did not uninstall them one by one but i uninstalled all the programs that add themselves to the context menu. Today i did the upgrade to windows 10 again, and here i am typing this message in the Edge browser and happily working on my computer without any problems. Hopefully this will be of help to someone. If you have some programs that add to the context menus, better uninstall them and reinstall them once you have got Windows 10 running. I Already put Agent Ransack, irFanView and git back and they work fine. If you have other experiences with installing windows 10 please tell them. Microblocks. Build with logic. |
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donmck Guru Joined: 09/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1314 |
I have two new notebooks I have been wanting to do the W10 upgrade on but have been holding off. Thanks for the heads up. I figure with 10 million users upgrading yesterday, we should get a lot of feed back. I am also a classic shell fan (have put bigmick and others on to it), so I'll wait on feed back from classic shell fan club also. Cheers Don... https://www.dontronics.com |
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BobD Guru Joined: 07/12/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 935 |
I have been part of the Win 10 Preview fast ring which is the bleeding edge testers. I had a 6 year old laptop which I am going to scrap soon and I used that for the preview. Win 10 managed to find every driver for it with no probs. Win 10 was tested fairly thoroughly but that doesn't get all the problems as TZ has found out. I'm holding back for a while on my other machines waiting for the inevitable dust to settle and MS to bring out some more adjustments. It is now possible to download ISO images for the Win 10 installer. This is great news. However, do not rush in and clean install Win 10 using these ISOs. It is important to actually do and upgrade install to any qualifying Win 7, Win 8, & Win 8.1 machines. Then before going an further, you must wait for Win 10 to activate your machine. After that you can do a clean install and it should activate without further actions. Here is an article about the process which may help. It is headlined How to Do a Clean Install but it covers all aspects. The guy who wrote it has been busy and is a good source of info which is more than I can say for MS. They just don't seem to be able to say it without burying it in lawyer speak. |
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| BobD Guru Joined: 07/12/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 935 |
Don, I believe Classic Shell will work on Win 10 but I found it was un-necessary once you were used to things. Bob |
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| BobD Guru Joined: 07/12/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 935 |
What I forgot to say earlier was that the upgrade install uses your previously activated win7, 8, 8.1 as proof that you are entitled to a free Win 10. That is why you have to do an upgrade install. Once that is done and activated you are OK to do what you want. You do not get provided with a Win 10 activation key and any keys from previous versions will not work with the Win 10 installer. Note that it is your machine that is registered for Win 10 and when your machine dies then your entitlement to a free Win 10 cannot be transferred to another machine even if you started with a retail copy of Win 7, 8, 8.1. Effectively your Win 10 upgrade is the same as what is called an OEM installation. |
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| donmck Guru Joined: 09/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1314 |
Thanks Bob, yes this is what I believe also. Microsoft has done a complete about face on how windows should (can) start. Have also been keeping an eye on the CS forum to see where they are heading. Cheers Don... https://www.dontronics.com |
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| MicroBlocks Guru Joined: 12/05/2012 Location: ThailandPosts: 2209 |
After a full day work on it i must say i like it. Especially the multiple desktops works fine for my workflow. No weird things happened, so far so good. I did do a disk cleanup and it removed 28Gb!:) On my SSD with only 128Gb that is quit a bit. Well worth it as i was running low. Microblocks. Build with logic. |
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palcal Guru Joined: 12/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1992 |
Have you noticed the games are gone, you now have to pay to get the app. Paul. "It is better to be ignorant and ask a stupid question than to be plain Stupid and not ask at all" |
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9603 |
My W10 is reserved, and must be arriving any time soon, but for now, I too will be holding off on the upgrade, till I get a bit more feedback from users as to how things are working. It is nice that at least it would seem that you can actually roll-back the update to W10, back to W8.1 if you find you don't like it etc, but I hear reasonably good things about W10 - so far. I too use Classic Shell - love it - but if it is indeed true that W10 gives us back a full start menu, and you can boot into the desktop and not that horrible tablet-targetted Metro GUI, then that is a big winner for me as a desktop user. With new installs of W8.1, the very first thing to go in after completing the install and activating, was Classic Shell to give us the start menu back, and boot directly to the desktop.  Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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TassyJim Guru Joined: 07/08/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 6274 |
There are only two games worth having: TeraTerm and MMEDit. Jim VK7JH MMedit |
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| BobD Guru Joined: 07/12/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 935 |
Grogs You don't need the reservation. Looking back on it that seems to be just a Microsoft hype. Sure it works but if you are going to wait a while to install then you would be better off removing the reservation. While that Window icon is sitting on your notification area it will be downloading Win 10 as it is now. If you uninstall KB3035583 then all of that rubbish disappears. When you are ready then go to Win 10 download site and select it to do an upgrade install. Check and wait for activation and then if you want you can go back again at your convenience and download the latest Win 10 and make an ISO image, a DVD or a USB of the installer. You can then do a clean install with that media and it should activate. Bob |
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| MicroBlocks Guru Joined: 12/05/2012 Location: ThailandPosts: 2209 |
I did the reservation and it downloaded the needed files over a few days while the computer was idle ornot using internet. Very convenient when you not have a superfast connection. A clean install requires you to install all your programs again. In my case that would be at least a day or two. I prefer the upgrade as it is done in about an hour. Microblocks. Build with logic. |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9603 |
@ Bob - thanks - have removed that KB. Out of interest, is that the same KB that makes that really irritating "Upgrade to Windows 10 for free" banner come up on the screen periodically, if you have NOT accepted the upgrade? That really annoys me on one of my other machines - every time I boot it, it keeps pestering me about the bloody upgrade, and on that machine, I am happy to stick with Win8, but the update "Reminder" banner thing won't bleedin' leave me alone. That machine's boot up often results in a two word expletive, the second word of which is "Off!". Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| donmck Guru Joined: 09/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1314 |
Should be able to click on the up-arrow on the task bar that shows hidden icons, and set GWX (Get Windows 10) to hide all icons and notifications, then you won't see the nag. OH, I think I misread that, is this a big banner? Haven't had one yet. Cheers Don... https://www.dontronics.com |
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| BobD Guru Joined: 07/12/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 935 |
I don't know about all of that stuff but it's probable that it's doing that. I took that update off my machines a couple of weeks back so I haven't seen all of its tricks. MS badly want you to upgrade so they will push hard via KB3035583. Once you uninstall it then you have to HIDE it so it won't keep trying to install. |
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| BobD Guru Joined: 07/12/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 935 |
Depending on your point of view, one of the problems with Win 10 is updates on auto pilot particularly if you have Win 10 Home. One way to throttle the updates is to connect via WiFi or mobile (cell) connection. Once you connect in this fashion you can then go into Properties for that connection and select "Set as a Metered Connection" and then you won't get updates on that connection. You can also do this on Win 8.1. I have heard unconfirmed reports that you can also do this on an Ethernet connection on Win 10. I would be surprised if this was true. |
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Geoffg Guru Joined: 06/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 3288 |
Ah, that was the secret, thank you. I am touring in Ireland and I bought an Irish SIM with 1GB of data. I normally use the mobile in tethering mode so my laptop sees a WiFi connection to the Internet and I figured that 1GB would be more than enough for a month of emails and the like. But the whole data allocation vanished in two weeks and I could not find what was consuming it. My laptop has the "Get Windows 10" icon in the task bar and I ignored it figuring that I would "reserve" my update when I got back and then incur the download over my home broadband. But, it seems that Microsoft went ahead and started the download anyway and consumed my expensive mobile data allocation. Very annoying, thanks to Microsoft I now have to pay for an additional data allocation. This illustrates a worrying trend. This is that the update service that many vendors use gives them unlimited access to your computer and they can use that to further their own aims in possible conflict with your interests. Microsoft installed a piece of software on my machine (without asking) and that went ahead and downloaded a huge amount of data also without asking. I am left wondering what is the difference between this Microsoft update and a virus or trojan. One of the features of Windows 10 is that you cannot opt out of their automatic update service. So now they will have hundreds of millions of computers under their complete control. Sure, Microsoft does not intend to harm their customers but who can predict what they will do if a future CEO is desperate for increased profits or market share. Another example is an app that was on my phone. It was free and did a good job and I always assumed that they earned their money from adverts or similar. But following an automatic update a lot of features in the app were unexpectedly disabled and the app started nagging me to purchase the "premium version" that would restore the disabled features plus more. I uninstalled that app but it is not so easy to uninstall an operating system. Geoff Geoff Graham - http://geoffg.net |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9603 |
Well, that is interesting, and I was not aware of that - that's probably exactly as MS want it.... SMALL RANT: I think I will hold off on W10 for now simply cos of that. It's not that I think that the auto-update concept is a bad idea(quite the contrary when used correctly), but there have been so many cases of obscure updates being released with little to no technical information as to what they are doing. Just look at the FTDI driver fiasco, which was bundled with a MS automatic update, from what I remember.(correct me if I am wrong). In any event, this makes this avenue a target for new virus writers. If auto-update is locked to W10, and you can't elect to turn it off, it is a great avenue for hackers and virus writers to distribute their stuff - all they have to do, is convince the OS that this package is a MS update, and it will install automatically in the background. I am probably guilty of scaremongering a little here, but the fact is, that if MS lock you into auto-updates, I guarantee that the nefarious folks will also be then looking very seriously at it as a distribution method for their crap. And if you can't turn it off, you can't stop them distributing their garbage by way of an "Official MS update" which is automatically applied. Sigh..... MS - one step forward, two steps back, so it always seems to me. More and more of my computers are now on Linux. Not that IT is totally immune either, but Windows is the primary target for virus-writing scumbags. I guess though, that someone will probably come out with a 3rd party application to allow you to disable the auto-update service a'la Classic Shell to give back the start menu to W8 or W8.1. END RANT. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| hitsware Guru Joined: 23/11/2012 Location: United StatesPosts: 535 |
Sounds like you are ripe for Linux :) |
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| BobD Guru Joined: 07/12/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 935 |
If anyone is concerned about Windoze 10 and its automatic updates then here is an article that is worth a read. http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-to-prevent-windows-10-from-automatically-downloading-updates/ |
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