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vasi Guru  Joined: 23/03/2007 Location: RomaniaPosts: 1697 |
Internet giant Google has criticized Australia's controversial plan to filter the Internet, saying it went too far and could create a dangerous precedent. But is about filtering violence, drugs, sex abuse, child abuse so, who is going too far, mister Google? Vasi Hobbit name: Togo Toadfoot of Frogmorton Elvish name: Mablung Miriel Beyound Arduino Lang |
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Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
Vasi, First I agree with the meaning of your post with exception of the country government, any country, having the power to filter the media for this reason. once the infrastructure is in place the Government will began to filter out certain things that are embarrassing to the people in high office, Government contracts awarded to unqualified companies owned by friends or relatives. Other items like Extreme donations to campaign funds Any News items related to the subject is deleted and the public will never know it happened This is how the USSR operated. not a good system. I wood think that google should clean up its own act for the sake of unregulated internet.If the government gets involved there will be taxes levied on the user and the server along with conditions and regulations different for every country the link goes to. Enjoy our freedom to comment on this subject, it could disappear without notice.   Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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| vasi Guru Joined: 23/03/2007 Location: RomaniaPosts: 1697 |
[quote]...it could disappear without notice.[/quote] It would be from Google part :D Yes that's the risks. Internet should be positive only, a huge library of precious knowledge... I don't mind if those things are filtered. Of course, I'm dreaming... Vasi Hobbit name: Togo Toadfoot of Frogmorton Elvish name: Mablung Miriel Beyound Arduino Lang |
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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
There has been a lot of discussion locally about this filtering in recent months, thanks in part to the news from China that google has lifted its censorship of search results to Chineese citisens. I'm happy to have my government censor the internet of child abuse, hate sites, violence, etc. These things dont interest me and I would prefer it if they weren't made available to anyone in this country. But I do believe we should be told WHAT EXACTLY is been censored. I would prefer to know site X was censored because it had pictures of violence agains women, and I would be happy with that. But if you told me "various unnamed sites were censored because they broke various undisclosed censorship rules", they I wont be happy with that. The problem is, that is what the Australian government is trying to do, censor the internet and not tell us in what way its been sensored. Thats exactly what is happening in China, and not acceptable in my eye's, so I'm against the censorship at this time. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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Tinker Guru Joined: 07/11/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1904 |
Glenn, what exactly is the definition of "censoring"? What comes to my mind are printed texts with large parts blacked out, unreadable. We all have seen those in world war documentaries. So, one does not know what has been censored. If they tell you, what will be the point of 'blacking it out' afterward? 
I really doubt that a way can be found to have 'acceptable' censorship that everybody is happy with, just my humble opinion. Klaus |
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Downwind Guru Joined: 09/09/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2333 |
Censoring is just like locks on doors, they only effect the honest people. What ever they do in censoring there is ways around it for the people who want to access the material. It will only work if it is applied world wide. I think censoring will only create a black market and cause more problems than it will solve. I agree that violance and child abuse etc, dont need to be on the net, but the low lifes that veiw this material will still find a back door to their sick needs anyway. The rest of us just suffer from over censoring of common information as a result. Pete. Sometimes it just works |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
By censoring I mean blocking the entire site. Pete's right, its not hard to get around the internet blocks. But it would stop a lot of the typical audience for these sorts of web sites. My perception of the sort of person who would want to view a hate site or a abuse site, for example, would be a less than intellegent moron. Its the smart ones you got to watch out for. I should add, this is just my opinion. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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KarlJ Guru Joined: 19/05/2008 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1178 |
cant agree more with Gizmo. I have a friend who gets lots of porn, like 50Gig a month. I recently got some as the porn i've been sharing with my wife is now getting old. I do need 50gig worth to view and censor before I share it with the wife or there would be no more sex - scenes of copping it in all three holes at once dont appeal to the wife very much, nor does the blow job following buggering the girl seem very appealing!! But censorship of other porn, such as gay porn (girl on girl fine with me)  or various styles / techniques
censorship is not appropriate as every other person in the world does it -or a variation ! If simple guidelines are followed I think it (censorship) is just fine, problem is the line does move across cultures -EG drinking age 18Aus 21USA violent video games 15+, access to firearms ?? driving age? Marriage age etc all vary hence an international standard for whats OK and whats not will take a lifetime or three to agree upon. Luck favours the well prepared |
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| RossW Guru Joined: 25/02/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 495 |
You guys seem to have little understanding of how trivial it really is to get around these things. Also, how little of the truly objectionable material is transmitted over the forms the proposed censorship schemes will actually affect. Leaving aside the technical and economic difficulties, the real danger is that the government have absolutely NO intention of ever sharing their blacklist with anyone, nor explaining why a site is listed (if you ever identify a site that is). You can be 100% CERTAIN that it will not be just kiddie porn thats blocked. Nor sites that advocate extreme violence. Or terrorism. It'll be ANYTHING the government of the day thinks it can get away with. Oh, and for those who don't know - I am the founder and sysadmin of one of this countries oldest ISPs. I've been called to present on security to the government, various LEAs. I do this for a living - on both side of the fence - providing ways around filtering systems and providing filtering systems for companies. It's usually "almost" trivial to circumvent these various filters. The whole nonsense about censorship is (IMO) only because they (collectively) can't get their sh!t together at the LEA level and investigate/act/charge the real culprits. If I had a dollar for every time I reported an "incident" to the "authorities", only to have it ignored, or actioned 4, 5, 6 MONTHS later.... *sigh* |
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| Downwind Guru Joined: 09/09/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2333 |
Like i said earlier...its lock and key ...it will only keep the honest people out and support those who wish to get around it. The harder you stop people from accessing something then the harder others will try to access it. Pete. Sometimes it just works |
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wind-pirate Senior Member  Joined: 01/02/2007 Location: CanadaPosts: 101 |
Hi Folks YES there is a lot of sick minds out there. 
Is censorship the "real answer"? Keep your eyes open, an ear to the ground. And turn them in. (cop) Citizens on patrol More eyes more ears more voices THE Pirate. stealing wind & solar energy is fun |
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