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Greenbelt Guru  Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
I believe that BP has shown a superb effort to stop this oil gusher but the Refrigeration effects of the liquid methane and or other gases is causing a great problem for them. there was mention of pumping hot water to the leak area to deal with the ice crystal formation . according to sources on the net, methane is liquid at 1100 psi. if this source is correct then methane would still be at liquid pressure on the sea floor. It is 2170 psi at the well head. the liquid gas would be lighter than water and would quickly rise toward the surface to a temperature pressure boiling point. At a depth of 2,560 ft. the Liquid Gas will start to boil. I suspect a lighter Gas is responsible for the Ice at the Well head. I reviewed the Spill in the Timor sea that occured last year (2009) and find it was at a similar depth at 3000 barrels,Day. Fortunately most of that spill flowed north away from OZ, The Diversion well Killed it finally. ICE forming in the Funnel Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Yeah I think/hope the days of drilling out at sea are numbered. If the oil cant be reached from a land based oil rig, then leave it alone, we dont have the technology to do it safely out at sea. 2 rig failures in 2 years proves that. Deap sea oil drilling is like nuclear power, we are told its safe, and it mostly is, but acidents do happen, and when they do the effects are long lasting and wide spread. If you look up "Oil rig accidents" and "nuclear power accidents", the number and scale of these incidents will make you want to leave the stuff well alone. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Some more info ... http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/09/2894171.htm Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
Glen; Thanks for the Link . The Hydrates are probably Frozen gases. The temp at the bottom of the bore hole is high keeping the oil flowing out the top, the gases moving with it began to cool, at the well head the sea water chill and 2000 psi the gas passes through the liquid phase and into its solid form,( thinking Out Loud) with no facts. This link below is a heads up to even the most bla'se mentality. If a magnitude 7+ earthquake hit this area???? There is a place in California (OLD) where the the earth side slipped 22 feet, Andreas fault, How many Well casings would survive the scissor action for 30-40 seconds. I vote NO on any more wells in the gulf. Mexico may have other Ideas.? 3,500 producing oil wells in the gulf of Mexico Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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| Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
Some More about Hydrates, DTD:1989 A Problem well in 1986 off the west coast of the US. Hydrates made a mess out of this one, A cause and solution report. Cementing Job comprimised Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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| Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
An update; Large Quantities of OIL FOUND UNDER WATER and is not surfacing EDIT; A Little success for BP. and the Fishes in the deep blue SEA. Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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Downwind Guru Joined: 09/09/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2333 |
I think it good you take a verbal stance on issues you feel strongly about. But mate, let me ask you a few things. Do you own a car or 2, a lawn mower, a motor bike, do you have gas heating or cooking in your home, Do you enjoy the ability to get deliverys in quick time frames and fresh produce on your table, the ability to travel in days rather than months, would you swap your present life style for one of over a hundred years ago. If you answered yes to any one of these questions than you might need to concider where the resource that provides this life style actually comes from and those that work very hard to access the raw resource to supply you this creature comfort. No one likes a disarster like this, but you need to keep in prospective the realality of what you have become acustom to. If you want to broarden the argument i think a simple thing like religion has killed more people and done greater damage over time than any oilwell has ever done. What about volcanos while you are at it, they have changed this planet greatly, many times over and are still doing it. Like i said its good to have a opinon but dont build your soap box to high without factoring in realality. Pete. Sometimes it just works |
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| Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
Pete, You don't seem to get it. I have no argument about oil or the people who work to produce it. My gripe is about the bottom line on the profit sheet swelling to unbelievable Sums while the energy giants are skipping inspections, delaying replacement of faulty equipment and giving orders to violate safety procedures. out of 90 odd scheduled inspections only 48 were carried out. By your own statement in a previous post, You have worked the oil platforms. What is your assessment of the following. Dead battery on the BOP, I will give Ground on this one because in may have been run down by repeated attempts to close the valve, A ruptured Hydraulic hose also on the BOP. I have worked a good part of my life repairing Hydraulic systems so I know there is no way the shear could cut that pipe with a blown out hose. A crew foreman on the Drill rig jumped 90 feet to the Water to escape the fire. He suffered several broken ribs but did survive. His story was revealing, The big wheel executive's came aboard and ordered the mud to be removed before the second plug was in place. At some point during the Mud removal the gas pressure blew the plug like a bullet, He also mentioned a valve, a plunger type probably a service valve that was known to be defective. Several days before the explosion and fire. an O' ring seal like a hydraulic piston seal was disintegrating ,several chunks falling away. The way the story was told, If this seal had been in serviceable condition it would have held the gas bubble. Now To the real reason I posted this and supplied updates is not to hurt anyone or SP or any other imagined evil.It was to point out that all the BS about how conscientious the oil Lords are about safety and pollution is just That. They are coming your way soon. Phillips-Conoco Is coming to take your Gas(methane), One of These platforms sank off the coast of Brazil a couple days ago. (Not Phillips) No pollution this time says Brazil Gov. Owner of the Rig. I have been reading about other companies interested in areas around Tasmania,They may already have the lease in hand, My thought was that some of you will write a letter to the office that represents your carbon life style.and ask them to be vigilant and firm on all matters having to do with offshore Drilling. I'm Just as concerned about your people that use the Sea for their survival as for my own. Though I live in Seattle and the spill does not effect me directly I still Share a small bit of their loss. There is still Huge quantities of oil on dry land. why drill a bunch of holes at great expense a mile under water and then cap it? I don't need an explanation.It amounts to money in the bank. Black Gold. Our US state of North Dakota is now thought to have more oil than Texas or Oklahoma. More discoveries in northern Louisiana. Billions of barrel's of oil in Canada's oil shale, word is, it can be recovered with profit at $70 a barrel. oil is presently at $78 a barrel or was yesterday. on an on. Roe Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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| Downwind Guru Joined: 09/09/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2333 |
Hi Roe, Sorry to miss understand your bandwagon. Your point is correct and i see this as a isolated situation and not a across the board problem. I had took it you were implying this was a general situation. It is not. All BOP's i have worked with have at least 3 failure systems, as they are the last line of defence when the sh*t hits the fan. Yes i have seen short cuts taken in the field, as well as great exspence given to maintain things. Equipment failure is not exceptable as it is preventable. Human error is normally the biggest threat within a oilwell, and as much as we hate to admit it, it is the one thing that can not be predicted. (and often never admitted) You can bet there will be someones nuts nailed to the door over this, but also it will not be the real liability behind the cause. There was a program on tv last night here about fracing coal seams to recover the gas in Queensland and how the locals was protesting against it. I personally was one of the people involved that conducted the first coal frac in Queensland. It was to release the gas from a coal mine that became to dangerous to work the mine with the high levels of gas present. It was a huge success. Now they want to frac coal seams to recover the gas and i do agree with the locals against this, as i think it is to close to surface in the formations to be able to ensure total control of the fractures, and can result in underground blowouts into other formations like aquafirers or formation fault lines etc. The locals were over concerened about the chemicals used to fracture with and this is the least of the problem, as it is not much more than gelled water, and the gelling agent used is a extract from the mung bean. Enough for now. Pete. Sometimes it just works |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Hi all This is a article sent to me by a mate in the USA it makes you wonder yhy they are playing in deep water with high costs and dangers. Pete I have seen the problems with coal fracture gas up here as its not far from my place and it is a worry ad it is polluting the artesian basin and salting up the country. All the best Bob Here's an interesting read, important and verifiable information : About 6 months ago, the writer was watching a news program on oil and one of The Forbes Bros. Was the guest. The host said to Forbes, "I am going to ask You a direct question and I would like a direct answer; how much oil does The U.S. Have in the ground?" Forbes did not miss a beat, he said, "more Than all the Middle East put together." Please read below. The U. S. Geological Service issued a report in April 2008 that only Scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a Revised report (hadn't been updated since 1995) on how much oil was in this Area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota , western South Dakota , and extreme Eastern Montana ..... Check THIS out: The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska 's Prudhoe Bay , And has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion Barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable... At $107 a barrel, We're looking at a resource base worth more than $5..3 trillion. "When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their Jaws hit the floor. They had no idea.." says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyst. "This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in The past 56 years," reports The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It's aformation Known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.' It stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and Into Canada . For years, U. S. Oil exploration has been considered a dead End. Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells Decades ago. However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves.... And we now have access of up to 500 billion Barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels Will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL! That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 years Straight. And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one Should - because it's from 2006! U. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006 Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the Largest untapped oil reserve in the world. It is more than 2 TRILLION Barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. In three And a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted. With this Motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling? They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders, than All the other proven reserves on earth. Here are the official estimates: - 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia - 18-times as much oil as Iraq - 21-times as much oil as Kuwait - 22-times as much oil as Iran - 500-times as much oil as Yemen - and it's all right here in the Western United States .. HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the Environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become Independent of foreign oil! Again, we are letting a small group of people Dictate our lives and our economy.....WHY? James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this Very compact area than the entire Middle East -more than 2 TRILLION barrels Untapped. That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the World today, reports The Denver Post. Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price - even with this find? Think again! It's all about the competitive marketplace, - it has to. Think OPEC just Might be funding the environmentalists? Got your attention yet? Now, while you're thinking about it, do this: Pass this along. If you don't take a little time to do this, then you Should stifle yourself the next time you complain about gas prices - by Doing NOTHING, you forfeit your right to complain. -------- Now I just wonder what would happen in this country if every one of you sent this to every one in your address book. By the way...this is all true. Check it out at the link below!!! GOOGLE it, or follow this link. It will blow your mind. http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911 _____ Foolin Around |
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vasi Guru Joined: 23/03/2007 Location: RomaniaPosts: 1697 |
Under Rocky Mountains? Then maybe there is an artificial reservoir ... Vasi Hobbit name: Togo Toadfoot of Frogmorton Elvish name: Mablung Miriel Beyound Arduino Lang |
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| Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
I googled for a list of oil rig failures, Bad weather is a major cause of collapse and sinking, quite a number are lost to bad weather when being towed. Shifting sea bottom, slides, take a few more. If you have a few minutes and are inclined to update your knowledge about the deep sea drilling hazards see this list of blowouts in the Gulf of mexico Abbreviated GOM Mexico also drills in the gulf but is listed, Mexico. and some of incidents are listed as Louisiana. This list is actually pretty small considering the number of wells (3,500) and this covers several years. Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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| Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
Vasi; Under Rocky Mountains? Then maybe there is an artificial reservoir ... Good One.! 
The Tree Huggers here have filed a complaint with the Dep. of the Interior(Public Lands), In essence, They are concerned that Oil removed from the Rockies will result in a new name for this Mountain chain The (DRY DOCKIES) 
Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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| vasi Guru Joined: 23/03/2007 Location: RomaniaPosts: 1697 |
Hi Greenbelt, My mother was engineering geologist, her father was driller, her sister is also a retired engineering geologist but in mining area and I worked as laboratory assistant geologist. Swapped for computers due to ill health (mercury and benzene poisoning - and now I have a little slow response on one of my legs). Drilling on an occupied area can make a lot of problems (gas infiltration in people houses, infestation on groundwater, landslides). On the top of our hill (I'm living at countryside) a company drilled for prospecting the area and there was an accident and they closed the "shaft" and now we have problems with the water and terrain slides - my village is now restricted area for building houses. I know how important is for an economy but maybe the price is too high... I'm not a Tree Huger but I need fresh air and natural food. Otherwise I'm getting down fast. Going in town is a nightmare, my face is getting white fast and I have balance problems because of hydrocarbons. I can say is dangerous for U.S. to remain the only one with petroleum because can become a target. Vasi Hobbit name: Togo Toadfoot of Frogmorton Elvish name: Mablung Miriel Beyound Arduino Lang |
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| Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
vasi; I"m not sure you understand my bad Joke. It is not true about Tree hugger complaints. Perhaps I did not Understand your post Life is mostly not Good, we do what we can. Roe Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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| Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
Here's an update on the oil mess in the Gulf, Top Kill attempt is under way  Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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| Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
Hopeful this is not all smoke to blind the peasants. Obama Made a Lot of enemy's today, Rich enemy's. however if deeds = word's he has made many more friends, and also votes. and perhaps the safety of deep sea drilling will be a notch better. the oil co.'s will recoup their losses by adding a couple pennies to the price of petrol and a quarter to a liter of Oil. And it may be the earth will be a little cleaner. OBAMA Shuts Them Down Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Thanks for keeping us posted on the leak Greenbelt. I see the "top kill" has failed. ABC site... BP says the complex "top kill" manoeuvre to plug its Gulf of Mexico oil well has failed, crushing hopes for a quick end to the largest oil spill in US history already in its 40th day. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/30/2913076.htm This is really bad, I think we havn't even started to see the effects of this leak yet, its going to get a lot worse. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
Glen, I see the "top kill" has failed If BP has revealed What it knows about the damaged well then I expect that installation of a new drill pipe connected to a cut off and squared Riser will allow recovery, I bet, more than they want, At a half million Gallons per Day we will have to ship it to Arabia to hold the price of Petrol up. we have something like 7 Million barrel's of crude in the national Reserve Cache and its overflowing. the oil co's reserve tanks are full. more Tankers coming in from the middle east and Alaska, And Yes A full tank is better than a dry one. I read a news Item about the debriefing of the platform workers, where some of the fellas said there was a problem with the casing at 500 ft. below sea bed while drilling. There appeared to be a rock or other debris interfering with the Casing fit up. If I understood it correctly, the Well casing is made up as the casing is lowered into the bore hole. A section Being lowered to mate with a previous section only butted up and it was believed that the overlap did not occur. If this is the case then capping this well with a new BOP would be the last thing they would want to do Because the Top Seal, several hundred feet of concrete that bonds the casing to the strata had not been placed when the well Blew. This high pressure would leak at the pipe joint and come up the bore hole outside the casing. Depending on the amount of casing mismatch at the joint this could be as bad as the leak is now. HERE IS AN IDEA , I saw this on a Newspaper BB.( if BP can connect 2 pipes to the BOP and pump mud in the well, why cant they connect two pipes to the BOP and pump Oil out of the well?? Sounds Good but, One way valves allow entry but no exit. What ever happened to the system that works. 
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| Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
Its Getting close to Marching Time! Oil on The loose. Yes , Another one is leaking. for more than a month, Office of Responsibility knows nothing of it.??.... Roe Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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