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VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539
Posted: 10:26am 21 Nov 2010
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Hi All
With all the talk of environmental disaster and global warming with the associated loss of species, my friend sent me a email with the prime reasons for these disasters, mainly people ruining their own back yard with greedy action that can push species into oblivion.
These people are the real enviro rapists, and would be the first ones to cry for help when no more turtles come to supply eggs to sell at the market.
BobFoolin Around
GWatPE Senior Member Joined: 01/09/2006 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2127
Posted: 12:36pm 21 Nov 2010
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Hi Bob,
I have to agree. Take a close look at pic 7. There is a couple, obviously not partaking in the pillage, holding hands and going for a walk amongst all the goings on. This would indicate that this is not unusual, and is accepted as OK for them.
They must just leave enough eggs for some survivors to be coming back. Maybe nature will have some revenge yet. Turtles live for quite a while, and it may be that this generation of egg harvesters will leave too few eggs for the next few generations of turtles, and in doing so make it hard for their own offspring [children].
Gordon.
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VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539
Posted: 01:51pm 21 Nov 2010
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Hi Gordon
It is an unfortunate fact that most environmental damage is seen a justifiable to the participants at the time, and the long term effect is ignored, or they are totally ignorant of the fact.
So many things happening around this world fit the profile of ignorant destruction for survival or corporate profit, and in the case of the turtle eggs it would seem to me that they are bound for a local market for profit, as to use a few for food for the family isn't going to need collections like this. very sad.
As you point out that the offspring of this generation are the ones that will suffer the consequences of nature out of balance.
All the best
BobFoolin Around
Tinker Guru Joined: 07/11/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1904
Posted: 03:09pm 21 Nov 2010
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How true, it applies to people as well. There are far too many of us on this planet already. Everybody needs food to survive, turtle eggs are food for some...
To *really* make a difference one would have to look at the bigger picture, though it might be politically unpopular to do something about the number of people being out of balance with many other creatures in this world.
Klaus
grub Senior Member Joined: 27/11/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 169
Posted: 08:28pm 21 Nov 2010
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Saw these pics and story on Snopes. Apparently the turtles lay in two batches. The second batch lay their eggs on the first batches eggs thus destroying them. The local government said that the people can collect the first batch eggs but nothing from the second batch eggs.
VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539
Posted: 12:27am 22 Nov 2010
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Hi Grub
Thanks for the information on the two lots of eggs, it may be the saving grace but I wonder if the government knows with surety that there isn't some reason for the need for two lots of eggs, I would be inclined to trust nature rather than government.
All the best
BobFoolin Around
VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539
Posted: 12:42am 22 Nov 2010
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Hi Tinker
I agree that there is a problem with people pollution on the earth at the moment and getting worse into the future,
In Australia it has been known that there is only enough water available naturally to support a population max of 30 million people, but the government is allowing migrants in at a ever increasing rate that will in time overbalance the population equation and cause major problems. We are already seeing this in the cities where social unrest and crime is rampant.
As the cities have expanded in my lifetime they have covered some of the best market garden soil in the country so there is less local productivity of food. now it has to be trucked for great distances or imported and the country comes dependent on offshore food supplies.
Nature has a way of dealing with the problem, in that in time the super disease problem being caused by poor natural selection and commercial medications will cause a sickly population to die back and some form of equilibration will be established.
All the best
BobFoolin Around
Tinker Guru Joined: 07/11/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1904
Posted: 01:51pm 22 Nov 2010
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I doubt that Bob, most likely it will be a super war or two...
As long as the 'save life's at all cost' mentality prevails people will not be allowed to die if they want to. Klaus
VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539
Posted: 02:16pm 22 Nov 2010
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Hi Tinker
You are right on the mark for now, but in the future I feel that health care will no longer be a cash cow for the medical industry as it is now due to lack of funds, and only the well heeled will get the health care that most are subjected to now.
Look at the amount of people dying every day from curable diseases in countries where there isn't any health care as we know it. And take into account the 30 odd million estimated abortions world wide every year.
As for a super war, well that is like the monkey that had a crap on the doorstep and said " Well that remains to be seen"
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