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Greenbelt

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Posted: 04:32am 29 Nov 2010
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WOLVES:
What to do with them?
The fed government set up a save the wolves campaign in 1996-98 now the wolf is home in Wyoming to Washington state you can now pay money for a game tag and go shoot one!
I "Googled for wolves, Idaho Montana" This is how a government Program is beneficial to the local Fish and Game Dept's, local Lawyers, Sport shops selling Guns and Traps. Just take a look at the mess the residents of the State's have to put up with
Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True?
 
Downwind

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Posted: 06:24am 29 Nov 2010
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Your link just takes me to Google search page????
Sometimes it just works
 
Gizmo

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Posted: 08:11am 29 Nov 2010
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Try this address if your in Australia.
http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&source=hp&q=Wolves+Idaho+Mon tana&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp&fp=1

Google customises its searches depending on what country it thinks you are in. As the link Greenbelt provided was to a USA version of Google, and the Google engine worked out you were in Australia, it redirected you to the Australian version of google, minus the search parameters.

Glenn
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Gizmo

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I think the wolf deserves our respect and should be properly managed. Wolves, and its de-evolved offspring, dogs, have been an important part of mans own development since day dot. Both species, us and them, have worked together for a long time.

The wild wolf will do what it needs to survive, and that means eating cattle. I agree this is a problem, and I think the problem needs to be managed. We need to ensure the survival of the wolf species, we own it to them, but may also need to cull them occasionally to keep numbers under control.

Glenn
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Greenbelt

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Downwind;
Pete, Sometimes it just don't work!

Gizmo;
Thanks for the insight to the Google area code.
I believe in conserving the wild kingdom but disagree on the pretense that the wolf is in danger of extinction.
The people of the northwest united states have lived with the presence of the wolf for a hundred and fifty years, The Ranchers, farmers and timber
workers kept the numbers small. The wolves grew to be fearful and usually give a wide berth to anything that smelled like a human, Now they are protected and are becoming
Aggressive, this spells danger especially to children.
Just 150 miles north of here, Canada claims over 60,000 Grey wolves, and OLD Russia Has a Greater population than Canada.
The state of Alaska Has wolves in all areas including its Islands.
Norway, Sweden, Finland, all have wolves, Finland Does not like them but EU is after them to save the wolf. I wonder if the people of Africa are endangered.?
I copied some headers from Google Search To Support my Position.

The largest Russian Wolf is said to be 176 lbs.

In areas where wolves and tigers share ranges, such as the Russian Far East, ..... In Croatia, wolves kill more dogs than sheep,

Swedish and Norwegian wolves tend to be more heavily built with deeper shoulders

Gray wolf. .... Indian Wolf, Italian Wolf, Mackenzie Valley Wolf, Mexican Wolf, Russian Wolf, Tundra Wolf ...

Jan 18, 2008 ... There is less affection for the wolf. Finland was taken to court by the European Commission, the executive arm of the European Union, ...

Defenders is working to ensure that Canada's wolves are conserved and properly managed so that they continue to thrive in the future. ...

Around 50-60000 wolves inhabit Canada, the second largest population in the world after the former Soviet Union.
All wolves in Canada are members of the species gray wolf.

Travel opportunity to see wild wolves under the midnight sun in the Canadian tundra!

Mar 11, 2010 ...
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (Reuters) - A schoolteacher found dead this week near a remote Alaska village was probably killed by wolves
Mar 13, 2010 ... Hunters were combing the snowy brush around Chignik Lake, Alaska, on Friday in an attempt to hunt down up to four wolves.

The wolf (Canis lupus) occurs throughout mainland Alaska, on Unimak Island in the
Aleutians, and on all major islands in the Southeast except Admiralty, ...


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GWatPE

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Posted: 04:52am 30 Nov 2010
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Hi greenbelt,

a similar problem with the crocodile has happened here in Aus. The croc is a "class-A" endangered species. Since shooting of wild crocs stopped in 1968, numbers in the wild have increased consistantly. You aren't legally allowed to kill a wild croc, but not so farmed crocs.

Recently, it was reported in the "NT News", of a few guys capturing a 3m croc at a local popular swimming spot and taking it home. They had claimed they were just making the swimming spot safe. They must have been drinking a fair bit to attempt capturing the croc in the first place.

Gordon.


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Greenbelt

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GWatPE:
I did some searches on Croc's Farming to gain some info.
Pretty obvious the farms are making good money, the Teeth, Hide, and the Meat all
Marketable "YUK on the Meat", don't think I'm hungry!!.
And most likely the hunt is an organized affair that requires a good deal of cash to
be included. Business Tax and sales tax money If any, would go to the Territory or other Gov. authority.
A protected Business when wild croc's are illegal to Take.
I also noted other Species of OZ not fairing well, I'm curious about the attitude of
Australians toward the Tasmanian Devil, From what I've heard over time, they Are
about as fierce as any living thing on earth??
Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True?
 
VK4AYQ
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Hi Greenbelt

Where I live there is a problem with wild dogs and dingos, they behave much like wolves being their distant cousins and kill anything they can, nearly impossible to keep chooks, turkeys or ducks, as they will rip their way into the pen, I shoot them on sight and have killed around seventy over the years, they kill goats sheep calves and will have a go at a cow if they find it on it's own, a few years ago A pack of them chased me up a tree as I forgot my rifle when walking down the back of the property.

The packs travel large distances out into the farming district from their home in the hills, if I had wolves I would shoot them to, or better still feed a politician or two to them to raise awareness of their danger to humans.

People who make a living out of saving the wolves are a pack of shiny arse office workers that never see the damage caused.
I dont believe they should be hunted to extinction but I like the idea as you said to hunt them until they wont come near humans, unfortunately the law makers arnt as smart as the wolves.

All the best

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Greenbelt

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Posted: 06:11pm 03 Dec 2010
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BOB;
"unfortunately the law makers arnt as smart as the wolves."

That's A Big 10-4 --- roe
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VK4AYQ:
Wolves here in Montana have reproduced to the point. where a reduction of
Elk, & Deer are being noticed through out this state and further west in Idaho.

Our Grandfathers who came to this great country from back east removed
these voracious predators, for a reason, but times past are quickly forgotten.

Chuck
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VK4AYQ
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Hi Chuck

The people supporting this ridiculous overpopulation of these animals should be made visit the sites of their kills in the wild, and on farm land, then left overnight in the woods known to be infected with wolves with nothing but a gun or two. A couple of green hides would help them keep warm for the night.

perhaps it would be a good idea to start a protection for the Elk Deer and Cattle as well.

All the best

Bob
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  Gizmo said   I think the wolf deserves our respect and should be properly managed. Wolves, and its de-evolved offspring, dogs, have been an important part of mans own development since day dot. Both species, us and them, have worked together for a long time.

The wild wolf will do what it needs to survive, and that means eating cattle. I agree this is a problem, and I think the problem needs to be managed. We need to ensure the survival of the wolf species, we own it to them, but may also need to cull them occasionally to keep numbers under control.

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Greenbelt

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R1zbear;

Its Legal if you (BUY a TAG) any number of tags except to the same person, Money must Flow, but no one pays for the sheep or cattle except the farmer.

People wonder how a little old wolf can kill a big bull elk. Well wonder no more.

This wolf was shot in the Salmon area of Idaho .
This is one BIG Wolf....
This is what we are up against in Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Oregon. These big wolves are eating everything in their wake and expanding their territory faster than we can keep track of them.
Who is afraid of the "Big Bad Wolf?"
Those wolves don't bother anything or anybody??? Guess again. Wendy, who sent me this one lives near Challis.

Heidi Leavitt shot this wolf just outside their home down river at Spring Creek. Heidi was in the store and said that they have had a pack running around their place and decided when they heard about them coming their way again, they would try and shoot one (she did have a tag). So the next time came quickly and while waiting for the pack to get closer, they looked in the woods below them and there was this wolf.
He weighed 127 lbs and was a collared wolf and by the time they got it to Fish & Game (which is probably an 1.5 hr drive, Fish & Game already knew about the wolf and said they had been looking for him. He is now skinned and hanging at their place.
The wolf pack had been terrorizing campers lately. Had a couple of guys treed in the cab of their pickup all night at Colson Creek campground. Not afraid of human campsites at all.


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Greenbelt

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I never thought Our Congress would actually do something to reduce the uptight nervous
demeanor of everyday life.
Perhaps soon the Moms can let their little ones go outside to play and even walk to school.
the congress itself voted to remove the Wolf from the protected list and the State game Dept. will handle the number of wild Wolf in their respective State.

The BBC has the story
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VK4AYQ
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Hi Greenbelt

They still have the police and politicians to contend with.

All the best

Bob
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Greenbelt

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They still have the police and politicians to contend with. All the best Bob

Yes, The wolf Business Is making money for the game dept. A few Wardens are employed to cite a hunter who has taken one without the customary Lawful donation for the privilege. It is likely that the Status Quo is set and nothing will change except the words on a gov. Document in Washington DC.

Cheers-----Roe Edited by Greenbelt 2011-04-22
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