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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9585 |
I am about to rebuild one of my machines, and I normally go for Windows 8.1 64-bit(I like it!(although I change the Metro GUI for ClassicShell)), but wonder what people now think of Windows 10? They are about the same price, and at the moment anyway, my logic is saying to just get the 8.1, cos I can still get the free upgrade to Win10 up till June(or end of June), I think it is. How many members here are now running W10? Of those of you who are, other then the USB problem we know about with the VCP, is anyone else seeing anything major or minor that irks them about W10? I do have a low-powered W10 machine I am playing about with, but the rebuild would be new hardware and built for speed(relatively), so don't want to have to battle W10 if it is still a source for concern among many. I'm still uneasy about W10's forced auto-updates, but perhaps there is a way to kill that off by now - I will have a look on Google. Shut Up 10 also works well as a free utility to kill off all the default W10 spying, so once that is also done, things are probably settled down a fair bit. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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OA47 Guru  Joined: 11/04/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 982 |
Grogs, last weekend I thought that I would set up a windows 10 system to get the feel of the new os and had a win 7 pc that needed a new hard drive so I thoought it would be a good contender. Installed the new hard disk and then spent most of the weekend updating the win 7 ultimate 64 bit os. Once microsoft was happy that I didn't need any more updates I downloaded the win 10/64 os iso, burnt a cd and proceeded to install win 10. After another lengthy period I was presented with a message that my 3.2 ghz, dual core cpu was not compatible with the os I was trying to install. Big waste of time........  |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9585 |
Disturbing.  3.2GHz dual-core most certainly should be.  Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
I went to a Win 10 presentation last year, the Microsoft speaker spent a couple of hours going over the new features, etc. Its got some good stuff! But I spend 8 hours a day on my PC, its a business tool. I use Win7. I could upgrade to Win 10, but I suspect some of my old faithful software tools wont work under Win10. Plus Win10 does a good job of hiding the functions I need to access, making it annoying to use. I dont see the sense in loosing hours or days learning a new OS when it offers no features I need. So I will stick with Win7 until its end of life, like I did with WinXP. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9585 |
OK, thanks guys. I will proceed to buy another copy of W8.1, which is what I already use, so I know what works and what does not, and I still have time to think about upgrading, or I could let the OLD box upgrade to W10 and see how that goes I guess....(after I have built the new box!) Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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MicroBlocks Guru Joined: 12/05/2012 Location: ThailandPosts: 2209 |
I have got win 10, after i updated my win 8.1. My opinion is it is a lot better then 8.1. The GUI is more desktop oriented and the way they do the 'start' button is a good solution, although for some it might still feel like a compromise. Maybe because i always hated that start button with a passion from the start, what a load of crap that was. If i buy a new system, i would go straight for a win 10 system. Upgrading from a previous version always has some little things that go wrong and keeps bugging you. My first win 10 experience was not that good after i upgraded from 8.1, but once i did a clean install it never failed. My USB for instance works much better, especially the USB-Serial stuff i have. No more fighting with drivers, it just works. I use my computer daily for work, so i can not have a slow or misbehaving system. Pretty happy how it performs. I use a Surface Pro 3 (i5, 4Gb, 256 SSD) Microblocks. Build with logic. |
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Herry Senior Member  Joined: 31/05/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 261 |
I found W10 a complete pain with lots of software not working, plus Microsoft defaults are very intrusive. I also hated W8.1 (Metro). I am sticking with my W7, which I love. XP was also good. (We won't mention Vista!) Senior?! Whatever it says, I'm a complete and utter beginner... |
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| MicroBlocks Guru Joined: 12/05/2012 Location: ThailandPosts: 2209 |
I always wonder way ALL of my software (even old ones that go way back to win xp) runs flawlessly and others have such problems? Which software is not working? truly curious! Microblocks. Build with logic. |
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| matherp Guru Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 10180 |
Like Microblocks I have no issues with W10 except for the single exception of Mach3 but that uses a very specific parallel port driver. All the machines in my household (except the one driving my CNC router) are now converted and working well (8 in total - don't ask  ).
It is easy to turn off the Microsoft snooping but I personally leave the updates on and have never had an issue. |
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| plasma Guru Joined: 08/04/2012 Location: GermanyPosts: 437 |
While not EOL win7 Loop He matherp what kind of cnc ? |
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| matherp Guru Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 10180 |
Homemade 
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| hitsware Guru Joined: 23/11/2012 Location: United StatesPosts: 535 |
> I personally leave the updates on and have never had an issue. Me too. If I had something to hide, I'd not put it on a PC. AND Though I like WIN10 a lot, I can see points that need work, and hope that the updates are constructive in that regards. |
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| Herry Senior Member Joined: 31/05/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 261 |
'...Which software is not working? truly curious!' From memory, VB6 installer, Bearcat scanner software, Nokia 2G phone software, PDW3.1 (pagers) (Yes, I know, but I like 'em)... Can't remember the others as it was some months ago and my brain is now becoming saturated with new things (like MM and MMPlus!). IMHO, every now and then Micro$oft comes out with a terrible product. (I still remember DOS 4.1!) and at other times they produce brilliant stuff, like VB6 and W7 and XP too. Senior?! Whatever it says, I'm a complete and utter beginner... |
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| circuit Senior Member Joined: 10/01/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 274 |
Recently I was guest aboard one of Her Majesty's latest warships - the Type 45 Destroyer. I was privileged to visit the War-Room for a test exercise and guess what the computer systems boot up in? Yes, Windows XP! Why? because it went through all the robust testing needed at the design stage of the warship and passed satisfactorily - it was the state-of-the-art at the time the Type 45s were being designed. (FYI they are not all yet completed and delivered). This illustrates the issue for those of us who use computers as a work tool and not just a thing of amusement; if it works properly why fix it? Of course, the cost to the Navy of validating, proofing and then installing a more recent operating system would be huge. Before anyone rushes in and doubts that the system is appropriate given hacking etc., there is, of course, no internet connection in the system - nor available USB ports etc. It is secure and robust. (Those of you who keep up with the news may, however, observe that the same cannot be said about the engines...) Of course, there are interfaces with other non-proprietary operating systems that deal with the really serious stuff - secure comms, targeting, launch codes etc. But it makes a point - do you NEED to upgrade? What can't you do at them moment that you want to do and that the upgrade to Win 10 will do for you? I have around dozen or so computers working at my home; running a range of boys' toys including laser cutters, CAD-CAM kit etc. I have one machine running on XP simply because it is a dedicated unit and works perfectly in that role. I have others with Vista; Windows 7; Windows 8; Windows 8.1 and Windows 10. Without doubt, as a "techie enthusiast" my favourite is Windows 7. It is robust, reliable and it is relatively easy to access the underlying control options. Windows 10 is certainly a smooth product and I am getting used to it, but of all the systems my favourite is 7. Whilst I will take the Win 8 machines to an upgrade because 10 is definitely better than 8, I shall not part with 7 on my main machine - at least not while it is still supported. It does precisely what I want and it does so without issues. Oh, yes, in answer to your question about problems with upgrades. My Sony Vaio had issues with drivers for Win 10 and some of these are still awaiting a fix. And that reminds me to check this out again with the Vaio care centre. |
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TassyJim Guru Joined: 07/08/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 6266 |
My last W7 PC went up in smoke with the bolt of lightning. While I wait for the insurance company to tell me I can buy a new W10 PC, I have blown the dust of a couple of old XP boxes. I liked XP and W7 but W10 is OK. I do have the supplied 'apps' but never had to use them. I can still talk to my 15 year old printers and the scanner stopped working after XP W10 is certainly better than W8.1 Jim VK7JH MMedit |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
If I had to choose between Win8(.1) or Win10, I would go for Win10. Regarding software that wont work with later versions of a OS, this can include drivers for hardware. I have a expensive Canon flatbed scanner and Logitech web camera that wont work on anything newer than WinXP. This sucked! The hardware was only a couple of years old when I upgraded to Win7, but suppliers wont update drivers, instead asking you to buy their latest hardware. Writing a driver for the new OS would be easy for them to do, but no money in that. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| circuit Senior Member Joined: 10/01/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 274 |
I guess the real answer to your question is to verify that all your hardware has drivers available for it under Win 10. My Vaio was supplied with Win 8 but would not immediately upgrade to Win 10 without loss of function because of driver issues. The obvious way forward is to install 8.1 as this appears to function okay for you. The do a full backup, install 10 and try everything out. If you have a load of unusual hardware then check for the appropriate drivers in advance. Apart from the Vaio issues, I have a laser cutter that will not function under Win 10 as well as a Canon Flatbed scanner, probably the same one as Gizmo. There is no perfect way forward and there are certainly issues around with Win 10 that yet need to be addressed. |
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| circuit Senior Member Joined: 10/01/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 274 |
Peter, a seriously professional looking job for a home-made device. I enjoyed studying the details in the photo - neatly-welded aluminium for one thing. I am quite envious - I would like a toy like that! |
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Chrisk Senior Member Joined: 21/12/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 122 |
Just bought a new computer with Windows 7 professional. Thought I would upgrade to W10 straight away. Unfortunately this was to be my business machine but my accounting package Quickbooks 2008 would not work with W10. Then had to re-install W7. It was a pity because I had seen some of TBS reviews and thought it might be the way to go. Well it wasn't unless I wanted to spend AU$650 on an updated Quickbooks. Chris K  |
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| MicroBlocks Guru Joined: 12/05/2012 Location: ThailandPosts: 2209 |
There is nothing in windows 10 that makes programs from 2008 stop working. Probably the software checks the windows version and decides to quit. I guess they planned for it and this is the way to force you to upgrade their software. (built-in obsolescence!?). I have software from 2000-2001 that works without any problems, no screen/printer/keyboard problems at all. Even games from 1990-2000 still work! Microblocks. Build with logic. |
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