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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
It seems like nothing is perfect!  I have been just adding more and more HDD's moving forward, but now I have a large video library as I have ripped all my DVD's and BluRay's to MP4 etc, along with all my music CD's to FLAC. I COULD re-rip them all, if worst came to worst, but the thought of doing that is enough to make me want to think of ways to hold onto what I have got in a more archive like fashion. Perhaps I could start using more of the Seagate Archive hard-drives? They seem to be quite a clever idea. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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retepsnikrep Senior Member  Joined: 31/12/2007 Location: United KingdomPosts: 134 |
Slightly tongue in cheek.. Records of the computer/micro age will be a blank in the future. Get used to it.. Better now we print them all out on vellum, roll them up and put them in a wooden box and bury them in the desert. That's a proven storage solution that has lasted 2000+ years. Can't see my tape drive lasting till next year let alone the next millennium. Sure as eggs are eggs, our computers and gadgets including sadly Micromites etc will lose it all eventually. Reliable, safe computer storage is a myth. If you lose a piece of paper in the filing cabinet, maybe it's fallen out of its folder and is lying in the bottom of the drawer. You can find it. If you lose a document in your computer, forget it. Imagine that old filing cabinet had a button on the front, one press of it and the whole contents take a one way trip to oblivion. Would that button be accidentally pressed one day? You can bet your back-up or expired data storage subscription it will. If there were two buttons on the cabinet which had to be pressed in a certain order, would it still happen eventually? Goodbye. The computer experts, who are professionals in the arcane art, say any problems are all the fault of dopey users. A snooker professional would also think we should be able to put together a break of at least fourteen, but we can’t. I wish to advise them that most computers are temperamental, infuriating, unpredictable and as difficult to use as a one-wheeled bike. Maybe the top five per-cent of computer users can cosset their particular machine in such a way as not to upset it and give it a grudge against humanity. Normal people can’t. The fact is that a lot of the time spent using a computer must be devoted to it’s wellbeing. E.g defragmenting the hard drive! If I had to defragment my grill as often I would give up cheese on toast. Hard drive! We needed that. A disc of magnetism of unimaginable capacity, going at incredible speeds with a pick-up arm floating a millionth of a hair’s breadth from the surface. I call that soft, an anvils hard. And this robust piece of indestructibility is the heart of it all. Everything saved is gone if it breaks. Have two perhaps? Trust it all to two butterflies wings? You can worry about both then. Cloud storage that's another :( You have no idea where your stuff is or who is in control of it. Trust it all to a faceless corporation keeping an eye on it's bottom line. If it all goes pear shaped and they go broke you will be like a slowly thawing cryogenic corpse from one of the defunct we can revive you in 100 years con artists from the 1970's. OK What about tapes and cd's? Left it out in the sun or near a magnet, how sad, what a pity, never mind.. When all the butterflies wings and support tickets sent to a outsourced third world help center won’t do anything, for reasons known to no-one, a screen just stays blank, and all mouse wheeling and key jabbing does nothing, what now? If we never see our data again we know it was our fault and it serves us right. Sorry i don't have any sensible ideas.. Gen1 Honda Insights. |
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| robert.rozee Guru  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 2442 |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3378 |
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair! ... Round the decay Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away. (But if he'd written it all down on papyrus and buried it in the desert, that might remain.) PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| Volhout Guru Joined: 05/03/2018 Location: NetherlandsPosts: 5091 |
Another idea: sell it MP4 compressed video (retrieved from a DVD (@ 480i) you would best case store at 720p) would run at 1Gbyte per hour. 50Tbyte is 50.000 hours of video. Even if you would watch 4 hours a day, 365 days a year, it would take you 12 years to watch it all. Sell it! Even at 10 cent per gigabyte, you would have the cost of the harddisks retrieved, and could still buy new ones, AND have a good holiday. Someone may have 12 years to spend behind the screen watching DVD quality movies .. and may see 5k value in it. Regards, Volhout PicomiteVGA PETSCII ROBOTS |
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bigmik Guru Joined: 20/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2950 |
Well Lads, It looks like nobody has any `REAL' idea how to permanently keep their data safe.. I used to store a copy of DONTRONICS files here but Dontronics has closed and even then it was probably 8 or 10 years ago since Don gave me any data to store.. Even my 2 NAS systems.. I have my important data on both NASs and also on my local PC.. I have wondered.. if my NAS box itself popped its pfoofpher valve I might still have the data on the 4 (or 6, depending which NAS) HDDs but how do I read them? I would have to buy the exact same model NAS to just pop them in (And even then I am not sure it would be that simple).. Our parents kept 100's of photos initially lovingly stored in photo albums and then 100s tossed in shoe boxes.. to what end? If like my family I dont recognise many of the people pictured and even if I had their names I wouldnt know who to ask who they were in relation to me.. Both my parent are gone and my Aunties and Uncles are so old and interstate I really cant ask if I wanted to. Why do I insist on storing just about every digital picture I have ever taken? I have no idea, it is almost an obsession.. My daughter `might' find some use down the track but soon after her the relevance rubs off and they are just space wasters.. I think probably the most practical is what I am currently doing. Real emphasis on the `valuable' digital photos and 2 generations of system drive backups that I tend to do every 2 months or so.. plus a few Bluray disks of the images.. If I was really concerned I would make another copy and store with a friend or relative.. Now if a nuclear bomb went off ..... Well I dont think I would be worrying about the data too much then. Kind Regards, Mick Mick's uMite Stuff can be found >>> HERE (Kindly hosted by Dontronics) <<< |
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CaptainBoing Guru Joined: 07/09/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2170 |
most general failures tend to be PSU related I have found over the years and are easily fixed - done it several times on my own NAS and two for Friends. All came up fine with new power... had the odd disk fail but he RAID did what it said on the tin. I don't trust any one stash... even though my NAS is RAID 5 + hot stand-by I still have huge single disks in a USB caddy that recieve the NAS partitions each week. Plus any active docs/projects exist on my laptop too... so anything that would hurt if I lost it is in at least two places. Key stuff like tax etc also ends up on my google drive. my 2p |
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| VK2MCT Senior Member Joined: 30/03/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 120 |
I have a NAS config'd as raid5 - about half full, but capable of 20TB. I use ViceVersa to update 2 external 6TB drives(A). I have another set of 2x 6TB drives(B). I 'update' sets alternately each week. One set is kept in my outside dunny away from the house. I've setup Viceversa to only copy new or younger files. I only connect the external drives when doing the actual update. This was following a nasty (very) experience retrieving a relatives data after a ransomware demand. John B |
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| bigmik Guru Joined: 20/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2950 |
Hi Capn, All, Funny about that.. The 6 bay ReadyNAS Pro I have was one I bought (No drives) dead (For 3/5 of FA.. ie. about $50) .. It ended up being the PSU.. Turns out it has a standard SFX AT PSU I had a new one here that fit, I just needed to solder an extra disk drive molex power plug on as the PSU had only 2 and the NAS wanted 3.. Still going strong.. (touch wood/head.) Kind Regards, Mick Mick's uMite Stuff can be found >>> HERE (Kindly hosted by Dontronics) <<< |
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| CaptainBoing Guru Joined: 07/09/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2170 |
yep - I have had proper faults, not saying everything is PSU but a heavy over-represent. Last year alone I fixed two NAS both with cheap micro ATX PSUs (that would fit in the case) from ebay and that vid above is My Drobo 5N with an external regulated 12V 10A for $20. The comments show others are experiencing the same thing and getting bad advice in some places so at least I helped a couple of guys. The alternatives (in some cases suggested by the vendor) is scrap the unit or buy a branded PSU for much more. gotta at least try.  |
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