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| matherp Guru  Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 10315 |
Grogster IMHO if you stop trying to manage W10 updates it will work fine. I have >8 machines on W10 with no issues, never a blue screen, never hang. My main desktop machine typically has dozens of open programs and files and just works day in day out. Let W10 do its thing and chill and you may find things improve dramatically. Get rid of any virus checkers as they nearly always cause problems,. W10 is safe with the in-built protection. Then just run the free version of Malwarebytes every so often. |
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
...and therein lies the problem. Why should ANYONE just let W10 "Do its thing" and be happy about it(read: "Chill"), when its thing is a plethora of problems with ANY major update? (rhetorical) No, I've had a guts full. I'm moving to Linux this time. I don't deny that your experience has been OK(perhaps even good?), but that is NOT what I see on an almost daily basis when I also consider my clientele. Also, I PROBABLY am more irritated then you are about W10, cos as part of my job, I am a computer tech and have to try to FIX all these muck-ups on a regular basis as part of my work, for other people's PC's that have been seriously affected by the updates. That I cannot get around, but at least here at home, I can be rid of the damn thing personally. I DO hear what you are saying, but no. I'm out. Enough is enough. I wonder if the Linux Mint could be ported to the CMM2......  Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3378 |
My experience agrees with Peter's for win10. 4 laptops in regular use, 23 programs open in the one I'm using now, with several dozen text files open in 5 multi-tab text applications, 3 browsers with multiple windows with multiple tabs, and I just let Win10 do its thing. Every once in a while I find that Win10 has downloaded updates and rebooted. It takes me 5 minutes or so to open everything back up again, but most of the programs remember where they were and load up all tabs and windows. I try never to leave any text file or any changed file unsaved for long. I know there's a lot of different hardware out there, and some may sometimes get mangled by an update. Perhaps I'm just lucky, or perhaps using major brand hardware helps. PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| robert.rozee Guru Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 2442 |
windows 10 works double plus good provided you follow a few simple rules: #1. hardware should be run on a 3-year replacement roster, as it is not reasonable to expect an operating system to provide ongoing legacy support for obsolete hardware that is more than 3 years old. all older hardware must be recycled for scrap metal extraction through an approved recycling facility. #2. if a piece of hardware stops working after a windows 10 update, the said piece of hardware is deemed to be obsolete irrespective of age and replaced/recycled as per rule #1. #3. all software must be kept current. it is not reasonable to expect an operating system to run software that is not kept updated to be compliant with the vagaries of the most recent version of the operating system - if older software continues to work, you are just lucky and living on borrowed time. #4. if a piece of software stops working after a windows 10 update, the said piece of software needs to be updated. if an update is not available, the said piece of software is deemed to be obsolete. go to the microsoft online store and purchase replacement software. #5. it is not reasonable to expect an operating system to be compatible with network components (be those components hardware or software) not explicitly approved by the operating system vendor. if a network component is incompatible, or becomes incompatible after a windows 10 update, that network component is deemed to be obsolete. contact an approved microsoft partner to arrange purchase and installation of replacement microsoft approved networking components. #6. if something doesn't work, it is YOUR fault, not microsoft's. you have done something wrong, and need to rectify that wrongdoing. an approved microsoft partner will be able to tell you what approved products or services you need to purchase to restore your computing environment to a level of functionality deemed appropriate by microsoft. happy happy joy joy, microsoft :-) Edited 2020-09-13 01:11 by robert.rozee |
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| matherp Guru Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 10315 |
With due respect that is utter b.....cks. Three of my machines are old dual processor workstations, 2007 vintage, with a completely random assortment of graphics cards, disk subsystems and memory types and the work and update perfectly. The only operating system I have a problem with is LINUX where I have now given up on maintaining the Pi-cromite as newer versions of the operating system have rendered it inoperable and unmaintainable |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4044 |
I saw you say that previously. For typical software it would be a puzzle, but MMBasic is very much not typical. I won't have time to investigate right away, but how do I get the code? I take it that it builds using make - right? So long as you can let me know which OS versions it builds/built on so I can get it working as a baseline, I can then see where it doesn't work. No hurry, don't break off CMM2 etc. John |
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| matherp Guru Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 10315 |
John The issue is PIGPIO and ncurses. It will build on any version but just doesn't run properly. e.g. Ctrl-C ignored even though ncurses is in RAW mode. Plus Netbeans is now updated and incompatible. Happy to let you have the code but I can't offer any support. The developer of PIGPIO seems to be suffering too - unable to confirm proper support for the Pi4. |
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| HellbentHorse Regular Member  Joined: 08/07/2020 Location: AustraliaPosts: 55 |
Clonezilla can help you with that. Plenty of tutorials via website and YouTube. It does require booting off a live usb/cd though. If you want something running with a GUI then you can use Gparted. Edited 2020-09-13 04:32 by HellbentHorse |
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hitsware2 Guru Joined: 03/08/2019 Location: United StatesPosts: 719 |
Yes... gparted then ' dd ' my site |
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| hitsware2 Guru Joined: 03/08/2019 Location: United StatesPosts: 719 |
How about a ' SDL ' version ? ( for the RPi ) BBCBasic has one and it seems to work well . my site |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
Thanks for the Clonezilla and Gparted info, I will look into those. I did find a thread on MS forums with others having exactly the same issue with the "No internet connection" error I currently have: LINK... They also report apps like Spodify fall over cos of this problem, BUT - exactly like me, they actually still DO have internet access fine, it is just Windoze is reporting that you don't - when you do. Sigh.... I note there 93 replies to that thread(and 336 other people saying they have the same problem), so it is obviously not a simple fix, and obviously not just me or something on my machine that has screwed up(and therefore not really MS's fault). I am reading it now. This won't stop me moving to Linux, but I would like to know how to fix this, cos I will probably see it on clients machines after they update. Edited 2020-09-13 12:39 by Grogster Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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TassyJim Guru Joined: 07/08/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 6283 |
That link gave a registry change to fix it. Didn't that work for you? (no problems here on any of my systems after the latest update) Jim VK7JH MMedit |
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| Paul_L Guru Joined: 03/03/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 769 |
Hey Grogs Take a look at AskWoody.com. Woody Leonard advises that you upgrade Win 10 to Win 10 Pro. It's cheap. Then delay the monthly Tuesday updates for as long as possible. This gives Microsoft time to fix all the bugs that users find with the updates. There are frequent advisories in the newletter as to when it is relatively safe to allow the most recent update to proceed. If an update messes up a machine it can usually be reverted as long as the Windows.old directory exists on C:. Then the update can be reinstalled when Woody says it is safe. As to your network connectivity issue -- post a question in the forum on AskWoody. They will probably have the answer. The only problem I have recently had with windoze was when it bricked a Gateway box with an update from Win7 to Win10. The problem there was that Gateway had gone bankrupt and were not issuing driver updates for their unique bits of hardware. The machine is now a boat anchor. It is not worth installing a new motherboard and associated hardware just to keep the Gateway case when you can buy a recent Dell or HP re-manufactured box for $300. Paul in NY |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
@ Jim: The first suggestion of registry change was already set to 1, so that was of no help, BUT, what DID seem to cure it was changing the following registry data: HKLM\Software\WOW6432Node\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\NetworkConnectivityStatusIndicator NoActiveProbe = 0 Create a new DWORD called "NoActiveProbe" inside that key, and set it to a value of zero. That did seem to fix it, and the globe icon is now gone, replaced by the normal icon with "Internet access". Spodify also now works. This is on page five of that forum thread at MS forums. I will continue to read this thread, as there are still five more pages, so I suspect it has resurfaced. What a heap of hoop jumping, but at least it seems to be OK again now - for the moment, anyway.... Edited 2020-09-13 17:22 by Grogster Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
NO IT DIDN'T FIX IT!!!!! Just now, the  globe icon has come back, so the fix lasted for about five minutes, now we're back to the same mother- problem.....Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
OK, the fix for now, would appear to be an edit to the hosts file. First post on page ten of the MS thread. Edit hosts file to add two MS servers, then reboot. Globe icon gone again, everything normal, lets hope it lasts. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
Notepad edit of hosts file worked for about one hour, now I have the globe icon back again - no internet.... Sigh. Back to my Mint machine. I am making good progress with this tonight. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| BrianP Senior Member  Joined: 30/03/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 292 |
Grogs, I feel for you - BillG definitely doesn't like you. All the PCs at my end still don't auto update...  |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
Are you on W10 Pro? Pro allows you to defer updates, Home(me) does not. I went to follow Paul_L's advise and upgrade to Pro - but can't, cos the MS Store says I am offline, and you can't get around that with this problem, so..... Another sigh.  Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4044 |
I'm not surprised about PIGPIO (it's waaayyy from normal code), but am about ncurses. I didn't realise Netbeans was used. Oh well. It's probably not any consolation but I used to port a chunk of application code from one Windows version to another (nothing like the PIGPIO stuff! - no direct h/w I/O at all) and it was a nightmare because of the endless MS WinAPI changes. "This is a change by design" they started putting in the API docs, yeah right, why not just say "Broken again". And that's when they even said anything had changed. I also used to port Windows drivers but that was just mad so gave that up early on. Linux has been far easier in comparison but for sure not trouble free. I won't be doing any more Windows stuff! Anyway, so long as I can build working picromite code (for an older RPi OS) I've a chance. I suppose I need to know which OS version on which RPi model should work as a baseline. John |
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