Home
JAQForum Ver 24.01
Log In or Join  
Active Topics
Local Time 09:23 13 May 2025 Privacy Policy
Jump to

Notice. New forum software under development. It's going to miss a few functions and look a bit ugly for a while, but I'm working on it full time now as the old forum was too unstable. Couple days, all good. If you notice any issues, please contact me.

Forum Index : Microcontroller and PC projects : Quick MX Linux vs W11 setup....(bit of a rant)

     Page 2 of 2    
Author Message
lizby
Guru

Joined: 17/05/2016
Location: United States
Posts: 3319
Posted: 03:13pm 12 May 2025
Copy link to clipboard 
Print this post

  Grogster said  I hope you see MY point.  


I think I see your point. I also like to be economical--frugal--maybe even stingy by some lights. But the question can be, what are we economizing on?

  Quote  But also, at the same time, bloat for the sake of bloat, just cos space is cheap.....to me, is false logic.


But it's not (mostly) "for the sake of bloat". Microsoft (like seemingly everybody else on the web now), wants to advertise. On my new refurbed Win11 laptop I went through the de-bloating process which I think you (or maybe someone else) recommended above. We all now unfortunately have to work to avoid being swamped with "slop".

But it's also true that it may not be worth taking the time to clean up. Here's a bit of a list from a folder I have:
Directory of C:\bin

07/31/1985  08:24 PM               512 VTREE.COM
01/07/1986  12:11 AM                11 FF.COM
01/14/1986  01:59 AM            43,520 SE.EXE
06/05/1986  01:59 PM               591 SWEEP.COM
08/13/1986  01:37 PM               204 SEE.MAC
09/13/1987  01:57 PM            11,210 CALENDAR.EXE
11/10/1987  04:23 PM             1,386 PRN2FILE.COM
08/29/1988  05:00 AM             6,979 GREP.COM
08/29/1988  05:00 AM             6,979 grep0.com
08/29/1988  05:00 AM             6,979 GREP_old.COM
08/29/1988  05:00 AM             3,992 TOUCH.COM


Programs from 1985 and 1986--most or all of which won't run now. But I don't see that I gain anything by finding and deleting them. And they remind me of what computing once was like.

It's not that I dislike Linux. I've had dozens of Linux devices--a few desktop but mostly little boxes running openWrt. I bought my first Seagate Dockstars in 2010, and I still have 6 of them running--operating cameras or serving as data accumulators and message servers--terrific little headless devices. Talk about economical (but they won't give you a PC experience).
PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed
 
Mixtel90

Guru

Joined: 05/10/2019
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 7524
Posted: 03:54pm 12 May 2025
Copy link to clipboard 
Print this post

I know what I'm economising on - electricity. :)
Under normal running conditions this PC is probably drawing quite a bit less than the graphics card on many systems, even when they are running lightly loaded. According to Intel this CPU draws typically 4W or 6W with both cores running under high load. No power is wasted running a cooling fan, so all thermal energy is returned to help heat the room. :)

It's not going to manage much in the way of video editing with only 4GB of RAM though. lol
Mick

Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini
Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs
 
lizby
Guru

Joined: 17/05/2016
Location: United States
Posts: 3319
Posted: 04:42pm 12 May 2025
Copy link to clipboard 
Print this post

  Mixtel90 said  I know what I'm economising on - electricity. :)


My laptop has a 60W charger. If I used it 16 hours a day (which I don't), and it had the maximum draw (which it doesn't), that would be 960 watts a day. In Nova Scotia, my kWh charge is 16 cents (which with the current exchange rate is equivalent to the 12 U.S. cents kWh charge when we're in Florida). The absolute most I could economize on with a more efficient PC is .144 Euros or .12 GBP per day.

In contrast, the heat pumps I now have running appear likely to give me a net annual savings of $800CDN over burning oil.
PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed
 
     Page 2 of 2    
Print this page


To reply to this topic, you need to log in.

The Back Shed's forum code is written, and hosted, in Australia.
© JAQ Software 2025