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| EDNEDN Senior Member  Joined: 18/02/2023 Location: United StatesPosts: 245 |
You can get an extra year of security updates for free for you Windows 10 machine if you go sign up for them now. You have another couple of weeks to get signed up. I think you go to Control Panel / Updates & Security / some option to enroll for updates for free. |
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Mixtel90 Guru  Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8256 |
Hmmm... I'm having fun anyway. Put the iso of mint on a stick and can't boot it in that machine. I've had this problem before and couldn't solve it. It seems to be something with the installer that Mint use assuming something about the graphics. I may have to try MX again. I'll play later, still a bit kn.....d from doing some felt roofing work on the kitchen before the heavy rain hits us tomorrow. I doubt if I'll be tempted to keep win 10 for another year. Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4106 |
Might be a BIOS setting that will let it boot. To get dual-boot (I know not your problem now) I've had to use Windows settings so it doesn't fast boot / hibernate, things like powercfg -h off (I Shrink Volume, too, to make space for Linux). Sometimes I've had to use Windows (Settings etc) even to get to BIOS settings... Oh, and bcdedit a time or two. John Edited 2025-09-20 03:21 by JohnS |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8256 |
MX LXDE went straight on today, no problem. However, I'm not sure about something to do with the HDMI lead that Windows is tolerating but Linux isn't. I tried two but MX was giving some flickering. Swapped out for a third, thicker, one and it's ok. Mysterious. I may have to try the Mint installer again.Annoying because I'm short of devices to install isos on! Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| robert.rozee Guru Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 2459 |
something like Ventoy may be of some use: https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html there are a couple of others listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Multiboot_live_USB and no doubt a few more similar out there. cheers, rob :-) |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8256 |
I've just this minute set Ventoy up. Not tried it yet. :) Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8256 |
That worked. The Mint Cinnamon live filesystem is now running on a 4MB dual core 1.1GHz fanless box. :) Ventoy is rather good! Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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stanleyella Guru Joined: 25/06/2022 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2677 |
if your pc runs win 10 it will probably run win 11. ms took away the hardware check I read but I used rufus and a win 11 iso and generic key to activate. working 2 years later on i5's. |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8256 |
It's so close.... The live filesystem runs but the installed setup freezes at "Welcome to GRUB". :( i5? That's way too new for me! This is a N3450 Celeron. Less power than a small laptop now. :) TBH I've no interest in keeping Win 10 running or in attempting to shoehorn Win 11 onto such small machines. C: is just under 58GB and it's hard enough having to keep clearing it of windows updates (at the moment I have 14GB free after a cleanup). Linux is more efficient. I have another box with Win 11 already on it. ------------------------------------ Ah... :) I had to set UEFI boot priority to Ubuntu. It boots now. :) . Edited 2025-09-21 03:37 by Mixtel90 Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8256 |
Hello from Linux Mint. :) A lot of work to do yet, but it's a start. Luckily a lot of my files are on the network and the rest are on USB drives. It's installed applications that need to be looked at. I had 14GB free on C: under Win 10. Under Mint I have 51GB free *on the same physical drive*. Ok, there were some programs installed there on Win 10, but most of them were on D:. I have nothing in /home yet. That's 120GB. Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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Turbo46 Guru Joined: 24/12/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1646 |
Well, after all of the Windows paranoia expressed in this post I was a bit reluctant to "upgrade" my Windows 10 laptop to Windows 11. But having no desire to go to Linux, I finally decided to bite the bullet and do the upgrade. Although I do have a Microsoft account I very rarely log onto it and wasn't asked to. It all went quite well. Classic Shell reconfigured itself. A few tweaks to the task bar to: - put the start button back where it should be - remove the search button - remove the news widget and now it all looks like it used to.  Bill Keep safe. Live long and prosper. |
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| Pluto Guru Joined: 09/06/2017 Location: FinlandPosts: 387 |
I have also hesitated to upgrade my newer desktop to W11, but I finally made it a couple of days ago. Based on discussions here and elsewhere I anticipated loads of problems. Was almost disappointed to see that everything went smoothly and at least all programs tested up to now work as before.  My old MS office (anno 2010) also fully OK under W11 My older desktop turned out to not be capable of W11, so it will stay on W10. It is anyhow mostly off-line used with oscilloscope, microscope etc. Pluto |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8256 |
As I only have one machine capable of running Win 11 my decision wasn't too difficult. :) I don't like running an OS that's been hacked so I didn't want to put one onto a Win 10 box - you don't know when an update will break it and everything depends on your OS. I've now got hooked on Luanti (the new name for Minetest), which can run a game that's very similar to Minecraft now, but with some improvements IMHO. I like the bit about it being free too. :) You can run it on Windows, Linux, macOS, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, DragonflyBSD and Android. Unfortunately, not on MMBasic. lol Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9741 |
The W11 issue with forcing the MS account thing, is only for clean-installs of W11 from what I remember. If you are UPGRADING from W10 to W11, and you have local accounts on W10, I seem to recall that the upgrade to W11 allows you to keep those if you want. IE: It is the clean-installs of W11 that force the MS account thing. Upgrades to W11 from W10 with existing local accounts don't. But any new Windoze PC or laptop these daze, comes with W11 pre-installed, so you are forced into using a MS account, as there are no pre-existing W10 local accounts. That was what I read about a year ago for upgrades, but they might have changed that too by now. Question to Bill & Pluto: Were you able to keep your old W10 local accounts, or did your upgrade force you into a MS account? Just curious to know if this is still as I remember, or if that has been changed too. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| EDNEDN Senior Member Joined: 18/02/2023 Location: United StatesPosts: 245 |
It is possible that old Windows 10 machines will suddenly find themselves valuable because of this. If you have an old Windows 10 license you can sidestep the cloud account on Windows 11 by migrating the license. |
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| Turbo46 Guru Joined: 24/12/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1646 |
While I do have a Microsoft account, I was not logged on before (or after) the upgrade to W11, only to my local account using my PIN. I was not asked (or told) to log on to my Microsoft account. The upgrade just happened. I declined the offer on the use of their cloud and to share diagnostic info and logged on using my PIN as per usual. Apart from the task bar, another annoyance is that when copying an image from within an application and then pasting it into paint does not retain the original file size any more. I have to save the image to a file and then load it into paint for the image to do so. I suspect the copy operation is now copying the image from the screen now and not getting it from the source. I don't object to Microsoft requiring me to have an account with them, most (if not all) companies that sell commercial programs do. Bill Keep safe. Live long and prosper. |
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| Mixtel90 Guru Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8256 |
There really isn't a lot of point in upgrading a machine with non-expandable 4GB RAM, dual core 1.1GHz Celeron CPU and non-replacable 58GB (slow) flash C: drive though. It was asking quite a bit of Win 10, never mind Win 11. OTOH Linux flies on it. :) Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9741 |
Yes, and that's the problem. EDIT: No-one should be FORCED into having an account with......ANYONE. It's blatant user monitoring. What ever happened to anonymity on-line? Edited 2025-09-25 18:17 by Grogster Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| Volhout Guru Joined: 05/03/2018 Location: NetherlandsPosts: 5405 |
Grogster, I have no idea how New Zealand is, in my fantasy it is beautiful, and life is simple and good. Scenery is like lord of the rings, and people are honest and hard working. What accounts.? People agree, and you are done. But in Netherlands you have an account for everything. Example: I have a contract with an ensurance company (which is my legal connection) and I need to have an internet account with the same company so they can communicate with me (they can put messages in my mail box in that account, and they expect me to read them and respond to them withing X days). And so it is for EVERYTHING. It won't be long before my dentist will ask me to make an account. The world is completely going mad. The only good thing is, that when they want me to pay as indicated in a mail in that electronic mail box, and I exceed the payment date, they send me a reminder in regular mail (paper). And then I pay. I simply refuse to check all these mail boxes in all these accounts every day. Volhout P.S. and this is caused by the anonymity demands. They cannot store your personal data anymore, so they force you to use their public data to get in contact. And when it comes to money, they suddenly can find your home address to send you a paper mail. Edited 2025-09-25 18:38 by Volhout PicomiteVGA PETSCII ROBOTS |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3451 |
HaHaHa. Good one. PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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