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| VK4AYQ Guru  Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Hi All I firmly believe that nature is in fact self balancing and at the moment we are living in a time of commercial excesses as never been seen in the time humans have been on the planet. There will be a balancing of nature in relation to the amount of humans left on this planet, any organism that pollutes the food source it depends on, or over uses the resources is doomed to die back to a sustainable level, we are but cows in a big paddock that will multiply to a level that the paddock cannot sustain, or the water source in the paddock cannot support, then there will be natural die back of the population to a level it will sustain. The development of cities over the ground used by market gardeners is a good example, they have covered the productive land with little boxes full of consumers that depend on produce imported from afar and even over the seas to survive, pity help them when fossil fuels are scarce and expensive, many will starve because they cannot afford the price of food. The smart ones will start a garden to supplement their food supply, the criminal element will kill and steal to supplement theirs and the government will introduce a tax on gardens to support the pubic Serpants. Things that we have taken for granted in our life time will be expended, there will come a time when no oil is available, the coal is all dug up and burned, the natural gas is all harvested and the uranium is all mined used and dumped in the secure storage, ha ha. Geo thermal may last a bit longer, but if they continue to cool the crust of the earth that to will slowly decrease. The only long term power source we have is the sun, its thermal energy is approx 1000watts per sq meter on the earth surface, solar energy. And wind energy as a by product of the solar activity. Until some smart chookey finds a catalyst to break down water into its components we are stuck with the above. Tesla believed we can harvest the solar winds and did some extensive work on that, but that died with him until another smart chookey comes along. The thing we really need to worry about is the medical intervention in the gene pool of human kind, if you breed cattle with the intentional degradation of the gene pool that they do with humans, they would say you are crazy. So either the human race turns into blubbering heaps of snot in the western world, or starves to death, while in Asia if you have good genes and some food you survive, if not you die, they will multiply like flies until they too starve themselves to death. Nature is a self leveling device that will be cheated for a while but not for long, there have been ice ages in the past and will be in the future, there have been hot gaseousness times in the past and will be in the future, by natural selection there will be a lot less people on the earth.Unless we can invent a perpetual motion machine to harness the magnetic fields of the earth, then there will be a war over that and lower the population. Buy some shovels keep them oiled so they don't rust as they may save your life in the future, or the life of your descendants, and you can always use them to bury those that didn't, unless they kill you to steal your shovel, or potato, or jar of pickles but for now I am going to have a sandwich for lunch and sit and watch the mill rotate and make a bit of power while I enjoy a couple of nips of whiskey. By the way dont forget to stock pile some whiskey for the future, strictly for medicinal purposes of course. Now I have cheered you all up with my solution to the world problems, I have one last suggestion, starve the politicians and religious leaders first, thing may improve then. All the best Bob PS science researching solutions will not help because they are part of the problem not the solution. Foolin Around |
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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Well said Bob The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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norcold Guru Joined: 06/02/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 670 |
Bob, I`ll drink to that, spot on. We come from the land downunder. Vic |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
DEEEERH 
Prime Minister Julia Gillard says she didn't mean to mislead people when just before last year's federal election she said there would be no carbon price under a government she led. "I've explained of course to the Australian people that I never meant to mislead anybody during the last election campaign about carbon pricing," Ms Gillard told ABC Radio. She said she has always thought the best way of putting a price on carbon was a cap and trade scheme. "We're going to get there through a path I didn't expect during the election campaign of a fixed price period for around three to five years," Ms Gillard said. "So yes, the route to the objective is different. "When I said those words in the election campaign I didn't mean to mislead anybody and I understand that people heard those words and they look at what's happening now and they perhaps say: `What's going on? What did she mean then? What does she mean now'?" Ms Gillard said Opposition Leader Tony Abbott would say anything to scare Australians about pricing carbon. "Tony Abbott is out there making ridiculous claims day after day about job losses, about price increases," she said. "He doesn't care about the truth in this debate. The claims he makes are false. "It's part of saying to the Australian people: `Actually, you the Australian nation, you're not up to reforming. You're not up to grappling the future. You're not up to this. Be afraid. Stay with me in the past'," Ms Gillard said. When asked if Friday would be a happy anniversary one year after deposing her predecessor Kevin Rudd as prime minister, Ms Gillard said it would be "a day of more work as prime minister." She said she was determined to make sure that Australia was a nation of opportunity. "The resources boom is a good thing but I want to make sure we manage this phase of economic growth so we see opportunity right around the country," she said. "So that's my focus today and my determination each and every day to do this job." The prime minister will later on Friday fly to Perth where she will address this weekend's West Australian Labor conference. It is a proven cycle that for every BOOM in human history there is a following BUST cycle Tony has the right Idea. 
He takes a prickly problem and sits on top of it totally impervious to the pain of reality, It is such a hard job for Politicians. All the best Bob Foolin Around |
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| norcold Guru Joined: 06/02/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 670 |
Unfortunately when we look at the financial mess our Country and State are in whilst we enjoy this boom. The bust is going to knock us for six. Course it`ll be said we are in a top position compared to the rest of the world, and we probably are but I don`t think the miners and farmers are too keen about the load that has been placed on their backs by the wastefullness of governments, they have been supporting as the chief exporters thus chief earners, bloody idealistic governments that are trying to destroy them with science from weather forecasters etc whom cannot with too much certainity tells us tomorrows weather never mind the next centuries. But they are there by democratic elections. Whilst it is easy to find fault with democractic government I think it may be much better than any other form of government we have witnessed. One more sleep and I`ll be dieting on crabs, prawns & barra and a wee nip o grauper to keep the cold out but I`ll be keeping an eye on Antonio & Juliet as they stumble from stuffup to stuffup. Oio! but what a true romance. We come from the land downunder. Vic |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Hi All The thing with CO2 is there is a finite amount of it that the earth is blessed with, as nobody has been importing any since the blob cooled, it has been captured and released and captured a few times since then with some questionable results along the way, questionable because none of the expert scientists where there at the time to document the results. Because we are a carbon based life form the more people there is, the more it will be depleted until the earth is covered with people, then, as they rot down that will produce more oil for some survivor to rediscover on in the future. I am not sure the best way to incorporate the government pubic serpents and politicians along with local government into the new oil reserves,time will work that out I suppose. The politicians and miners will find something else to sell until the whole of Australia is a Hole in the ground full of polluted mineralized water. All the best Bob Foolin Around |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Hi All As out other forum on interesting things was closed due to the reference of M***lim politics and how it is insidious. I will post this interesting item here, it is not designed to denigrate, insult or even call to notice the religions freedoms of others more fortunate than ourselves. It is however important information for those that have kids or grand kids or great grand kids, it has been a controversy that has been around for a while, namely how good our political system looks after us or are they participating in a user friendly form of genercide as mentioned previously to reduce or perhaps dumb down the population. ENJOY JUST hours after a doctor jabbed Sharron Coppin's children with a world-first flu vaccine, her three-year-old daughter Alivia turned purple. As Coppin raced the shivering Alivia to a Perth hospital emergency ward, her husband called an ambulance for their one-year-old twins, Byron and Lateesha, who had begun convulsing and vomiting at home. Little did the panicked parents realise that the flu shot, provided free by West Australian health authorities, had never been tested in children through clinical trials. "No one warned us this could happen," Coppin says of the febrile convulsions that afflicted one in every 110 Australian children injected with Fluvax, which combines three strains of seasonal and swine flu. "I just took the doctor's word. And the doctor obviously trusted that the government had done all the testing. If I had known it hadn't been tested, I would never have let my kids be used as guinea pigs. I was trying to protect them, not put them in harm's way." Coppin is flabbergasted to discover some of the federal Department of Health and Ageing's top immunisation advisers have links with the drug company that created the vaccine that landed her kids in hospital. "You'd think there'd be something to say that's a conflict of interest," she says. The Perth mother is not the only one to raise eyebrows over the relationships between Australia's health authorities and the pharmaceutical industry. Some independent researchers are questioning the system in which scientists affiliated with drug companies can also advise the government on matters that affect the pharmaceutical sector. The WA government's independent review into the seasonal flu vaccine scare has recommended that the DHA "formally review and address any perceived or real concerns in peak bodies with regard to conflict of interest". The report, by former WA chief medical officer Bryant Stokes, highlights concerns over "perceived conflicts of interest, with expert members of peak bodies in relation to immunisation also being involved in pharmaceutical companies and clinical trials for vaccines". Fluvax, which triggered febrile convulsions in children at nine times the expected rate, was produced by CSL Ltd, Australia's home-grown pharmaceutical giant. CSL also manufactured the federal government's $131m stockpile of Panvax swine flu vaccine. Here's the link to rest of the article: www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/a-flu-jab-too-close-f or-comfort/story-e6frg6z6-1225931148903 There is no science behind the flu vaccine. Last flu season hundreds of Aussie kids were harmed by them and many had seizures resulting from them. If I ever have kids they will not be getting vaccinated for flu, measles, rubella, mumps, etc., under any circumstances. I've done too much research and I know better than that. Every vaccination causes harm and has a cumulative effect--the more you vaccinate the more harm you do and the more severe the brain (and other) damage will end up being. In the US, as the vaccination schedule increased so did the autism rates. The mercury used in vaccines causes autism, it destroys neural connections in the brain. You can watch video footage of it happening on youtube if you look. *New Study Shows Vaccines Cause Brain Changes Found in Autism: http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/07/new-study-shows-vaccines- cause-brain-changes-found-in-autism.html * For Immediate Release: Vaccinated Children Two and a Half Times More Likely to Have Neurological Disorders Like ADHD and Autism, New Survey in California and Oregon Finds. www.generationrescue.org/prphonesurvey ****AMAZING timeline resource of vaccine-induced deaths: http://vaccineriskawareness.com/Killer-Measles-Vaccine-Is-Wi thdrawn-And-Other-Vaccine-Death-Cases 2010 April 23, Flu vaccination ban goes national after fever, convulsions in children, reports WA Today. “Seasonal flu vaccinations across Australia for children under five have been suspended after 23 children in Western Australia were admitted to hospital with convulsions following (within 12 hrs of) their injections.” 2010 May, Natural News reports on The Age’s reporting of some 60 vaccine abreactions in West Australian children following seasonal flu vaccine—all cases occurring within a period of approx. 2 months. Nothing is reportedly “wrong” with the batches—the ingredients were evidently the usual suspects again wreaking havoc on innocents. The vaccine is called Fluvax, made by CSL, Australia’s largest biopharmaceutical company. Please don't let anyone you know going off getting their kids vaccinated without them being informed. In my experience, everyone who has REALLY done their homework on vaccination simply does not vaccinate their kids--they know the dangers and it's not worth the risk. Overall, comparisons between unvaccinated and vaccinated groups show the UNvaccinated ones are healthier and suffer lower rates of neurological disorders. As you can see, I have strong opinions on this because I HAVE DONE MY HOMEWORK (which is an ongoing research process for the book I will eventually do on this topic. Will be disturbing reading). Brendan D. Murphy Foolin Around |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
QUESTION HOW CAN YOU TELL IF A POLITICIAN IS LIEING TO YOU? Tax cuts and increased family payments will form part of the federal government's carbon price compensation package, Prime Minister Julia Gillard has announced. Speaking at Western Australia's Labor Party conference in Perth, Ms Gillard said plans for the tax cuts and increased household assistance payments would be finalised in coming weeks. "I really understand that many people are anxious about the impact of a price on carbon," she said. "I understand they expect to hear from me what that is going to be all about, and I'm going to do that." Tax cuts and payments would be targeted at "those who need it most", Ms Gillard said. "I want to make sure that families can make a difference and help tackle climate change," she said. "We will act fairly, we will not let Australians down." AS THE PIGS FLEW OVERHEAD Foolin Around |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Politicians are looking for ways to prevent the spread of homosexuals, they think by letting them get married they won't multiply, I won't say any more for concern of being branded a homophobic which isn't trendy and fashionable these days, even the politicians go th the gay and lesbian mardigras to try and boost their flagging popularity and win a few votes, The decline and fall of the Roman Empire all over again. NEWS FLASH The West Australian Labor Party has passed a motion supporting same-sex marriage in a move which will put greater pressure on the federal government to back the changes. However the motion, supported by WA Labor leader Eric Ripper, came under attack from party heavyweights during the state conference in Perth on Saturday. Labor MP John Hyde said the Labor Party had a history of ending discrimination by giving women the vote, campaigning to end the White Australia Policy and granting equal rights to Aborigines. "WA is a better place because of these changes, because we moved to make a far more equal society in WA," Mr Hyde said. "Now we need to move towards equality in the federal legislation." WA Labor powerbroker Joe Bullock spoke against the move, saying marriage was more than just about the legal recognition of a same-sex relationship. "Ask yourself would society ever afford a special status to marriage if it had nothing to do with reproduction," said Mr Bullock, head of WA's shop workers union, SDA. "Marriage is special because it provides a stable, balanced environment for children raising. Homosexual relationships are naturally and necessarily infertile; it's not marriage." Upper house MP Kate Doust also criticised the move, saying she was concerned the party was tackling a "populist" issue while ignoring the needs of the broader community. Ms Doust said the issue of same-sex marriage was more of a "CBD issue" rather than one affecting people in regional areas. "Sometimes I'm worried as a party when we respond to these types of issues we don't think more broadly about how this plays out in the community and how it affects those people in the suburbs," she said. However former MP and planning minister Alannah MacTiernan said such comments were "demeaning" to people in the suburbs and regional areas by suggesting they were incapable of having "sophistication, sympathy and empathy" on the issue. "It's not just confined to the inner city, there's gay people in Armadale, there's gay people in Pinjarra, there's gay people in Mandurah," Ms MacTiernan said. "They don't just all live around Highgate (in the heart of Perth)." Ms MacTiernan said heterosexual couples were the biggest problem for the sanctity of marriage, saying 40 per cent of marriages had ended in divorce. She said gay couple are increasing becoming parents through adoption, in vitro fertilisation and to children from previous relationships. "It is not us and them - we are all the same in this and all have that fundamental need to create a close partnership and a desire to express that relationship in a formalised way," Ms MacTiernan said. Under the motion, the WA Labor Party now calls on the national executive to give all adult couples the legal right to marry regardless of sexual orientation or gender. It is reported West Australia does not want to share profits from mining royalty, maybe so they can support the homosexuals in the state. Bob Foolin Around |
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| windlight Guru Joined: 03/03/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 331 |
Take a step bank and ask yourself why do same sex couples want to Marry or for that matter opposite sex couples. Just another step for the Fabian society.....http://www.fabian.org.au/1.asp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXSvV57oB3k I remember Port Arther Allan "I like this place and willingly could waste my time in it" - (Act II, Scene IV). |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
What is the answer? will we need a town car to comply with pollution laws and a travel car for long distance. The clean image of electric cars is in doubt as the pollution caused by the charging systems cannot be discounted altogether unless a solar charge station is installed, highly impractical for general use. The high cost of batteries, and disposal of worn out ones is another thing to overcome, along with the limited range of battery only systems. The improved efficiency of diesel power is at present running at nearly half the cost per KL compared to full electric cars. We look to the future for some answers but the physics of the situation are out in the dark at the moment. Bob The only thing certain about electric cars is the uncertainty. Depending on who you talk to, the trend towards electric cars will either have us all whirring through the suburbs within a decade or two, or remembering the zero-emissions technology with the same fondness as other once-hyped-but-now-dead technologies such as laserdiscs and telegrams. Car makers are generally pessimistic about the take-up rate of electric vehicles, citing the enormous battery costs and limited driving range (most are 160 kilometres or less) as massive roadblocks. Perhaps predictably, electric-vehicle infrastructure company Better Place - now trying to set up in Australia what it claims will be the largest charging network in the world - expects people to warm to the idea of EVs much quicker. Advertisement: Story continues below Its model revolves around people leasing the batteries (removing a huge cost of the initial purchase price) and even fixing the price of electricity in a mobile-phone-style subscription. Of course, there are many unknowns, such as the price of electricity and fuel, developments in battery and charging technology, improvements to existing petrol and diesel engines and potential government incentives, to name a few. Whatever happens, the car of the future is likely to be a far more environmentally friendly beast than those of today. TOBY HAGON, NATIONAL DRIVE EDITOR Foolin Around |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Hi All To bring to your notice a dividing line not recognized in the previous post on the Muslim problem world wide. This commentary is not of a religious nature, for those misguided souls that think the Muslim system is a religious code, you would be well served by doing some research into the geopolitical Muslim organization that is a cancer on world society, including those that have the Muslim religious faith themselves. The problem is with the infiltration of the religious side of Muslin society with the corrupt values of the rulers of darkness, this allows the political side of the cancer to infect all it comes in contact with, the poor religious persons that spread the cancer are in fact the carriers of the infection not the source of the infection. If you think I am Muslim bashing, that isn't the case with the religious side of the culture? but it is, with the political side of Muslim, why so, because that uses pressure through the so called religious extremists to corruption natural law, and for the transposition of the cruel and restrictive practices that it subjects the people under it's control too. This is the very thing these people want to escape from when they go to great personal risk. but are to stupid to see how they are manipulated by the so called faithful to re invent their downfall where ever they go. Just like a cancer, it is finally fatal with a lot of pain and suffering to all concerned, while the slow death of their political arm comes over them. The western worlds politicians are to stupid to see whats happening, they think they can water down the effects by multicultural interaction over time but as we all know that a cancer is best treated by removal, by whatever means possible, if not it means to lay down and die in a politically correct manner. To me it is like having a 5ooo gallon tank of clean rain water and tipping a gallon of sh*t from the septic tank into it and still thinking it will be free of all the harmful disease and bacteria from the septic tank. All the best Bob Posted by an anonymous person who reads newspapers every day. The conclusion: The Arabs are not happy!!! · They are not happy in Gaza. · They are not happy in the West. · They are not happy in Jerusalem. · They are not happy in Israel. · They are not happy in Egypt. · They are not happy in Libya. · They are not happy in Algeria. · They are not happy in Tunis. · They are not happy in Morocco. · They are not happy in Yemen. · They are not happy in Iraq. · They are not happy in Afghanistan. · They are not happy in Syria. · They are not happy in Lebanon. · They are not happy in Sudan. · They are not happy in Jordan. · They are not happy in Iran. Where are the Arabs happy? · They are happy in England. · They are happy in France. · They are happy in Italy. · They are happy in Germany. · They are happy in Sweden. · They are happy in Holland. · They are happy in Belgium. · They are happy in Norway. · They are happy in the U.S.. · They are happy in Australia. · They are happy in the New Zealand. · They are happy in Romania. · They are happy in Hungary. They are happy in any other country in the world that is not under a Muslim rule. And who do they blame? · Not Islam. · Not their leadership. · Not themselves. But the same countries in which they are happy to live. This is so true ..... Democracy is really good for them : In a democracy they can live comfortably, enjoy the high quality of life which they did not build and work for, they don’t have to be productive and earn a living, they can be wild, pray in the street and exploit social services, bite the hand that feeds them. And by the time the free world wakes up, it will be too late .... Foolin Around |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
How about we just talk about windmills and stuff hey? The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Hi All Glenn has requested that I stick to windmills and not current affairs so I would respectfully request all to not follow up on my posting of political danger of the spread of Muslim politics to our, or other so called free countries. We can stick our heads in the sand and hope it will not happen rather than being aware of what is happening. All the best Bob 
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Its not about sticking our heads in the sand Bob, its just that this is a web site about windmills and solar panels and cnc and electronics and stuff we get up to in the back shed. There are plenty of other web sites about politics and religion and global warming and other current affairs. Like I said in the PM I sent you, I agree with many things you say, but I would prefer to keep it off this forum. We get bombarded with those global problems every time we listen to the news or read the paper, and I would prefer it if this forum had nothing to do with it. I hope you can understand my point of view on this. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Hi glenn I can understand that you do not want to be controversial, but was under the impression that the shop talk was a bit segregated from the rest of the forum, but as you are the Boss thats OK by me. I know that there are other forums that sensationalize world events and are lacking credibility because of that,, so I wouldn't waste my time on them, but I felt that the general intellect of members here may be interested in facts filtered from the rubbish that floats around. Any way back to basics with wind water and sun. All the best Bob Foolin Around |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Thanks Bob The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
IT SEEMS WE HAVE THE HONOR OF SUPPORTING ALL THE PARASITIC SECTIONS OF GOVERNMENT ALONG WITH THE NON PRODUCING GOVERNMENT PUBIS SERPANTS AND POLITICIANS, SO WORK HARDER BOYS AND GIRLS PAY MORE TAXES AND TARIFFS TO KEEP THESE PARASITES IN THE LUXURY THEY DO NOT DESERVE. Australians must work harder: Treasury head Topics:Economic News On Friday 1 July 2011, 6:38 EST Treasury Secretary Martin Parkinson is warning Australians face declining living standards if they do not work harder. In a strongly worded speech in Melbourne last night, Dr Parkinson blamed what he called populist media campaigns for undermining bipartisan support for reform. The Treasury Secretary said Australia could not rely on the mining boom to prop up the economy and if productivity was not improved incomes would take a dive. Dr Parkinson also warned the country's national interest depended on foreign investment. The Greens and independent Senator Nick Xenophon are calling for a review of the rules governing overseas investment in Australian farmland. But Dr Parkinson said discouraging capital from legitimate foreign sources could harm the country's potential wealth. "I think the issue around foreign ownership, whether it's of the mining sector or the agricultural sector, has to be handled quite carefully," he said. "And so you can see, there have been a number of political interventions this week, I just hope that they are handled with clear recognition of where Australia's national interest lies." Dr Parkinson also said economic reforms should make it easier for people to move to rapidly-growing mining areas. He said lower stamp duty - which could encourage people to sell their houses and move - and other reforms that would make it easier for people to transition to new jobs were a sensible approach. "Tax reforms that improve resource allocation and improve mobility, and especially state taxes such as stamp duty and property tax," he said. "Appropriate reforms to tackle climate change at minimum cost also make sense." DEEEER. Foolin Around |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Hi All A friend sent this You Tube thingo on the CO2 readings have a look at it and draw your own conclusions. http://t.co/HBWE2Uu All the best Bob Foolin Around |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Yeah a real climb in the last couple of decades. I dont think anyone can deny the CO2 levels are rising dramatically. Its just what effect its going to have thats the big question, no one can know for sure. Good video. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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