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Chrisk Senior Member  Joined: 21/12/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 122 |
That's quite possible. I had to get a key from Quickbooks who knows what that key may have done. A friend of mine had an older version of MYOB and he didn't require a key and his works fine with W10. |
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9585 |
Interesting comments, guys. W10's nasties just get worse and worse, looking around on the net. MS's latest thing would seem to be to FORCE Intel and AMD etc, to NOT(I repeat - NOT) support any Windows OS other then W10. This will mean that the CPU itself will refuse to be compatible with anything OTHER then W10, so it will be W10 or nothing. New CPU's to force you to use W10 ...and further reading: Microsoft says that all new processors will only be compatible with Windows 10 This won't affect Linux on those systems, and the more MS tries to 'Sexually motivate from the rear' people into W10, the better it becomes for the Linux community, I guess. My server and media-player systems are entirely Linux. I only use Windows now, cos Sprint Layout and Sprint Plan don't have Linux versions, and I use them all the time. I've asked them(Abacom) a couple of times, but they are not going to do Linux versions. 
I did get them running under WINE in Linux, and although they did install and run(no mean feat!), it was jerky and lagging - I guess that was the emulation, and there is probably not much you can do about that... With the new build, I will see if the WINE versions work better with some gruntier hardware behind it. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| matherp Guru  Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 10180 |
Remember, looking on the net about anything only gives you the views of the unhappy minority (most of whom are unhappy about everything). The millions of people who are perfectly OK with W10 don't post. My view FWIW: install W10 or W7, definitely not 8 or 8.1. Also remember if you have any sort of old W7 licence (even a version you subsequently upgraded to 8), install that and you can get the W10 upgrade for free so no need to buy anything. |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4032 |
Grogster, if Sprint (etc) run under Win7 (or 8 or ...) you could maybe try a VM such as VirtualBox on Linux for Win7 (or ...). You literally run Win7 so are not subject to the sometimes lacking WINE. Best with plenty of RAM and not too slow a CPU. John |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9585 |
You have a point...... 
You have another point. I have a couple of licenses for 32-bit Windows 8 downloaded during the Win8 promotion when it was released for $50 a copy. Unfortunately, these licenses are rejected(as I have used them), and being only 32-bit, I don't want to really bother with them anymore for that reason alone. This machine I use now, is 8.1 64-bit, but I have disabled and hidden the update message thing, so it never pesters me to upgrade, which is how I like it. ;) I could let this one upgrade to W10 after I have my new one up and running I guess. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9585 |
Good thinking. 
New machine will have 16GB RAM in dual-channel arrangement, and quad-core 2.4GHz CPU. I will have a look on YT now for some VM videos. The only thing that puts me off having that, is that you still have to wait for your VM to boot, but as it is probably in a ramdisk image, once loaded it would run totally in RAM(probably), so would be quick I expect. The research continues...... EDIT: VM seems easy enough to get going, and certainly looks zippy enough, and his machine is slower then mine is going to be, so that is now looking very interesting. Win7 in VM in Ubuntu I will play with this idea on the new machine before I commit to Windows - if I commit to windows!  Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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MicroBlocks Guru Joined: 12/05/2012 Location: ThailandPosts: 2209 |
You could also write it like: Window 7 starts to get old and newer hardware can not be supported on it. I think Microsoft is making the right call. Instead of spending huge amounts of time keeping 7 afloat, it is just better for everyone to just move on and embrace the new technology that is available in the new CPU's and go forward. When hardware changes so much, software can get at a point where it will stop working (reliable). Windows 7 will still work for many years, but it will not be on the newest CPU's. It is a little bit what happens with the MX150 uMite. The new MX170 is out, no more upgrades for the MX150. When you want to use the MX170, use the latest firmware. Happens everywhere.... Microblocks. Build with logic. |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9585 |
An excellent way of putting it, and a perfect example. 
The 150 vs 170 chip upgrade thing was essentially the very same thing, albeit on a much smaller scale. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| circuit Senior Member Joined: 10/01/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 274 |
Statistically correct, in that the complaints are not a representative sample of the majority but this is very much a "minority forum" that we are speaking on - and this minority tends to connect up and install a wide range of unusual hardware and software. The great majority simply use widely-available programs for relatively straightforward applications and are unlikely to run into the issues that many members of this forum do. I would anticipate that we - as a forum - would run into many more driver issues and software compatibility issues than the great world public. Peter, your rather excellent home-built CAD-CAM router being the perfect example of unusual hardware! |
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Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Some stats for this web site, data for last month. Sessions are a bit like a visitor counter. First up, what OS. 
Looking at Windows users. XP still kicking along. Win98 even pops in occasionally. 
And what browser's are used. 
Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Looking at those figures, Win7 still has just over 50% of the market, despite Microsofts annoying popup to upgrade. I think Win7 will be around long after its EOL, just like XP currently is. People dont like change for the sake of change. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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OA47 Guru Joined: 11/04/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 982 |
Thats great info Gizmo. It would be interesting to do another post in time to come to see the rate of change. GM |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9585 |
I 2nd that, Graeme - great info there, Glenn. 
For the record, currently I am one of the W8.1/Opera members. Really interesting about W98 - figured it would never make an Internet connection these days, but there you go!  Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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TassyJim Guru Joined: 07/08/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 6266 |
I'll have to fire up the W95 laptop later, just to give the figures some credibility. With all the groaning about Microsoft being too snoopy, why are so many of us using Chrome? Jim VK7JH MMedit |
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| hitsware Guru Joined: 23/11/2012 Location: United StatesPosts: 535 |
> why are so many of us using Chrome? Chrome had real good hype when it first came out. Some sites were starting to not work with I.E. You are Oh So Right with you question ! Actually any of the main stream Linux distros or derivatives are way more 'cloud centric' (and thus snoopy (in a sense)) than Microsoft. Also intrusive..........Good bad example : Once when I took my XP PC to the shop, the tech (all good intentions (asked me first)) set up dual boot XP/Ubuntu. I didn't care too much for Ubuntu, so didn't boot to it for months. I decided to try it again and when booted it asked me if I wanted to get the latest upgrades? I clicked yes and it changed something in the boot process that made it a major chore to get to XP 
Twas a good lesson .......... |
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| isochronic Guru Joined: 21/01/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 689 |
How many hits registered are from search engines ? A new post seems to get about 30-40 hits as a base, then again with each reply, then a slow increment over time [ ignoring fake/dual logins of course !!] |
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palcal Guru Joined: 12/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1982 |
Finally bit the bullet and bought a new laptop with Win 10. I must say I am very happy. There is one annoying aspect, it opens with a picture of a cave with the date and time. I have tried everything to get it to boot straight to my desktop but to no avail. Surely there is a way to get rid of this start picture. Paul "It is better to be ignorant and ask a stupid question than to be plain Stupid and not ask at all" |
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| TassyJim Guru Joined: 07/08/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 6266 |
Paul, I was annoyed by the silly start screen too. I don't remember if I did something or if one of the updates fixed it for me. With a new PC, you will have lots of updates to do before we panic. I also refused to sign up to a Microsoft account and that might have made a difference. Either way, there is a solution. I should have a new PC to set up this week so I will try and remember what I do to it. Jim VK7JH MMedit |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9585 |
My #1 favourite for killing off any new aspects of a MS GUI(Metro etc), is to use Classic Shell. It's free, and works with anything W8 and up - including W10. It gets rid of the start screen, replaces the 'New' Start menu with a more classic and familiar Start menu, and boots you right to the desktop. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| palcal Guru Joined: 12/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1982 |
Installed Classic Shell but it doesn't get rid of the pesky cave picture. Every time I start up or switch users I get the picture and have to click to get rid of it. Paul. "It is better to be ignorant and ask a stupid question than to be plain Stupid and not ask at all" |
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