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Alastair Senior Member Joined: 03/04/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 161
Posted: 06:15pm 15 Oct 2017
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You guys are just pedaling fake news which is so unfair.
The real problem, I got this from a mate in Canberra, is that too many people are using the wrong electricity to power their computers. Apparently if you use that wishy washy renewable stuff it doesn't have enough strength to push the electrons around and they get stuck when there is hard work to be done.
If you run your computer on good coal fed power then there is no problem. It is really strong and the electrons don't get stuck. As a wise man once said Smoke makes things work. There sure is plenty of smoke around a real generator.
Cheers, Alastair
GoodToGo! Senior Member Joined: 23/04/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 188
Posted: 06:15pm 15 Oct 2017
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Too late! There is so much smoke pouring out of his ears that from over here it looks like a raging bushfire is happening across the pond!
GTG! ...... Don't worry mate, it'll be GoodToGo!
Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610
Posted: 09:18pm 15 Oct 2017
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Well, let's just say it is probably a good thing that I got a #4 crewcut last week. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops!
joebog1 Senior Member Joined: 07/11/2015 Location: AustraliaPosts: 114
Posted: 09:43pm 15 Oct 2017
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HEY GoodToGo! Bro!!! he IS a bloody ANZAC he has a little leeway !!
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JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4044
Posted: 09:43pm 15 Oct 2017
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Almost the last thing I'd want is to put someone off Linux... but... where someone has particular Windows-based software (in this case CAD) it can be unrealistic to move completely across to Linux.
Yes, try it with WINE but it may not be OK (and apparently isn't).
And yes try a VM. For a big Windows program you'll need a big VM (file on disk) and lots of RAM or performance can be dire. It's not going to be completely seamless, either. (But may work acceptably overall.)
Of course if an alternative program exists without having to resort to such things then great.
JohnEdited by JohnS 2017-10-17
MicroBlocks Guru Joined: 12/05/2012 Location: ThailandPosts: 2209
Posted: 09:51pm 15 Oct 2017
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It only affects users which use WSUS/SCCM managed. Most of the pro users and consumers use the regular update and are not effected. Administrators should always update their systems by deploying updates to a test platform, and if that works and is reliable roll it out to production. If they did not do that then they did not do their job very well.
For me it is simple, i like to have a potential customer base that is significant. Linux and Apple are still a tiny slice of the pie and for most development totally irrelevant because the numbers are not there. The huge amount of different Linux distribution also not help.
I am also just more lucky with using Windows i guess as it never let me down in many many years. I still find it the most productive way to use a computer. It does function less in specific areas, but i not really use those. Microblocks. Build with logic.
Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610
Posted: 10:29pm 15 Oct 2017
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I think I was SOMEWHAT the instrument of my own problems there because I was using an old ISO to install W10. The latest download from Microsoft for W10 installed much better and with way less issues, but it still wanted to spend half the night doing updates.
This despite the fact that it was current as of that day from Microsoft, and during install it downloaded a whole heap of extra updates then proudly announced: "OK You're all set!" - but apparently I was not.....
Yuk. I just don't like W10. I suppose nothing is going to change that easily any time soon. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops!
BrianP Senior Member Joined: 30/03/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 292
Posted: 10:55pm 15 Oct 2017
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My commiserations to Grogs & all other Win10 would-be users. In my current role as local "computer guru" (not my words) I need to remain as familiar as possible with the Win10 real world. I'm still using XP on my main home machine (thinks it's a PosReady machine which still gets updates until 2019), but this machine is over 10 years old & the motherboard is starting to resist wanting to initialise at boot - can take several tries before the initial beep happens. It's quite stable once started, but I'm on borrowed time.
I have a new you-beaut I7 machine with 32 gigs memory sitting in the wings ready to go (been there now for more than 12 months) with (shock horror) Win10 - just haven't got around to doing the migration of all my "stuff" - looks like i may have to soon...
Anyway, to the point - IMHO the current flavour of Win10 is definitely the most stable of all the Win10 versions. Most update errors would seem to stem from aborted or corrupted downloads of the huge version update - you think nothing is happening & reboot it but it was busy in the background. I had one machine that took a full day (24+ hours) to finish the update - just left it alone & it finally did it. I suspect MS paces major downloads to suit Internet traffic conditions & machine workload.
Quick tip for the "can't stop the Windows update service" issue - open the services.msc console, find the Windows update service & set it to disabled. Reboot, & it certainly won't be running. Then you can delete the update files cached in software distribution, which often magically fixes an update issue.
If you have Win10 Pro set it to the "business branch" for updates, not the default "current branch". (I think MS uses the general population as a test bed before letting it loose for business). You can delay updates for up to a month after they are first released & pick a time of your choosing when you are feeling brave. Or, if you leave the updates service disabled - no updates! (not recommended for security reasons).
You do need to turn all the privacy settings off, including all the apps Microsoft thinks should be running in the background by default.
All said, I'm afraid I rather like it - it's the Win8 kernel, & pretty quick. Once you take the time to tell it who's boss, that is. My experience is that it's more stable & driver friendly than Win7, e.g. USB serial devices. I have less issues interfacing to the outside world than with Win7 e.g. networking. YMMV of course.
Sorry to take up so much forum space about the hated MS - might aid someone maybe.
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srnet Senior Member Joined: 08/08/2014 Location: United KingdomPosts: 164
Posted: 06:08am 16 Oct 2017
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I agree entirely, any sensible organisation has to test upgrades and patches in this way in order to safeguard their buisness.
So the obvious question is how do these 'errors' get out of Microsoft in the first place ?$50SAT is Silent but probably still working. For information on LoRa visit http://www.loratracker.uk/
circuit Senior Member Joined: 10/01/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 277
Posted: 12:18pm 16 Oct 2017
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A common reason for this behaviour is the CMOS back-up battery on the motherboard. I have re-invigorated quite a number of very old computers simply by renewing the motherboard battery. You may not be quite on such borrowed time as you imagine. Have you replaced the original battery? Edited by circuit 2017-10-17
twofingers Guru Joined: 02/06/2014 Location: GermanyPosts: 1593
Posted: 01:21pm 16 Oct 2017
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Ten years are allmost nothing for a MB. I load my emails daily a PC with a 300MHz AMD K6 and 256MB plus Windows 98 without any issues. He must be nearly 20 years old. There is hence still hope!
A much younger MB (~5 years old?) made boot problems ... more and more. I replaced a condensator (100µ, near the Sata-connectors) and all works stabile since then. causality ≠correlation ≠coincidence
Herry Senior Member Joined: 31/05/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 261
Posted: 02:00pm 16 Oct 2017
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Yes, many an unscrupulous or ignorant retailer has pronounced a computer defunct, usually claiming 'power surge' when the CMOS battery is all it is! Edited by Herry 2017-10-18Senior?! Whatever it says, I'm a complete and utter beginner...
Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610
Posted: 02:19pm 16 Oct 2017
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[Quote=BrianP]Once you take the time to tell it who's boss, that is. [/Quote]
Ahhh, but therein lies the problem. IMHO you should not have to take up hours and hours of your time, to settle down a clean-install of Windoze as you seem to have to do with W10 installs currently.
You even mention needing to leave a W10 machine updating for 24 hours. What the HELL is it doing that it needs that much time! That to me these days on modern hardware, is totally nuts. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops!
Herry Senior Member Joined: 31/05/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 261
Posted: 02:26pm 16 Oct 2017
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I wholeheartedly agree, Grogster! The o/s is marketed as a consumer product but it is frequently not fit for purpose in my opinion. I'd willingly pay more for something that works (after all an o/s is very complex and if it was faultless it would be too inexpensive).Senior?! Whatever it says, I'm a complete and utter beginner...
Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 814
Posted: 05:51pm 16 Oct 2017
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I may have mentioned before for people using 3g or 4g phone dongles (where I was living out west for example its that or 56k modem, as many phone lines arent even adsl capable) it is wise to watch yourself around win10 as it literally has 10's of gigs of downloads, and many people got caught (luckily most had their data costs for win10 updates canceled by telstra if they complained long enough and hard enough) if you had prepaid with auto topup connected to your bank account/credit card or postpaid with same, win10 was responsible for data bills in the hundreds of dollars for unlucky/unaware consumers (telstra data being $10 per gig on the most common plans on their wireless dongles)
Unfortunately in many country areas 3g/4g telstra is their only option for any form of broadband connection
CaptainBoing Guru Joined: 07/09/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2170
Posted: 08:34pm 16 Oct 2017
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+1
Tip: on old(er) motherboards, if you can, replace this coin-cell (usually a CR2032 or similar) with the power *on* otherwise you can lose your BIOS settings and a simple 30 second job turns into a mission (uses non-conductive tools and take any rings off your fingers. Older boards used battery-backed RAM while flash was still considered avant garde I still have half a dozen strips of these cells from the days when I used to sort PCs... really ought to have a sort out, but you know what it's like
Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610
Posted: 09:40pm 16 Oct 2017
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Well, Bill expects that everyone using Windows will be living in a house, in a city, with at least standard UNLIMITED ADSL, right? (rhetorical)
...so downloading a whole plethora of updates won't worry anyone.
I wouldn't mind, but the choice to download the updates should be THE USER'S not at the discretion of the operating system.
I just had another run-in with a W10 machine this afternoon. Brand new, clients complaining about lack of speed, and constantly dropping the WiFi connection. NOTHING gets it back again when that happens, and they have to reboot the laptop. THEN the WiFi comes back fine - until next time. This is also a problem for others. Google 'Windows 10 dropping WiFi'......
Brand new Laptop with W10 Home 64-bit. Apparently the default setting for W10 on laptops and tablets, is to power-down the bloody WiFi to save power, but this then drops the connection to the net. For whatever reason, IF W10 is even re-enabling the WiFi when you try to use it, it fails to connect, and you have to reboot to get the connection back - pain in the arse.
Other problems with this laptop were that Skype and Email was not working(I could understand that, if W10 is turning off the WiFi).
Hunting around on the net, I found how to change this by disabling 'Let Windows turn off this device to save power' or some such similar setting. Yet ANOTHER hoop you have to jump through with a clean-install of W10! This setting should be OFF by default, and people who want to save power can enable it themselves!
Sorry....bit of a rant again. I just can't help it. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops!
Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 814
Posted: 10:06pm 16 Oct 2017
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LOL- hey we feel your pain ranting and win10 seem to go together (I suspect my neighbours must think I'm insane at times when I let loose with a good shouted rant at another win10 machine thats playing up, but it makes me feel better and thats all that counts)
eta Its not just laptops with this issue, some (but not all- no pattern I've spotted so far) towers when going into sleep mode, do the same with wifi connections- strangely it doesnt seem to be an issue with wired connections, just wifi More strangely- two identical towers, both bought same time, identical hardware, identical install, both in the same house, one does it, one doesnt- explain that as being anything but a wtf moment- how do you even start with an issue like that?Edited by Boppa 2017-10-18
joebog1 Senior Member Joined: 07/11/2015 Location: AustraliaPosts: 114
Posted: 12:45pm 17 Oct 2017
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But Grogster!!!!
You told me you didnt want to piss around doing software and writing code
Joe ducks
Herry Senior Member Joined: 31/05/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 261
Posted: 12:50pm 17 Oct 2017
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Take no notice Grogster. I'm with you all the way about W10! They'll have to do an awful lot to ever win my trust again.Senior?! Whatever it says, I'm a complete and utter beginner...
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