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Volhout
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Posted: 10:20am 18 Mar 2025

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Volhout said All,

Thank you all for your motivating constructive comments.
If I sum up all your desires and requirements, I can only conclude that the filemanager in today's state is incompatible with these.

1/ other terminal sizes are not supported, and I am not volunteering to go down that rabit hole with the current code. We have the new "widescreen" modes on 2350, as well as various LCD formats with font choices. This could be a huge effort to get right.
2/ a common (VGA/HDMI/VT100 and of coarse VT100 and VGA at the same time looking the same) is only making the program bigger (2 independent display routines showing the same data, potentially at different resolutions).
3/ taking out sound and pictures, does not save a lot of code space, also the screensave does not save a lot of program space.
4/ Do not use function keys... in essence simple, but who is helped with that.?
5/ twofingers has discovered, as did I myself, that console ALT+Fx keys are not passed to MMBasic. Hence the VT100 version used backspace. And that works well. But the original MC used <ALT> hence javavi's choice for it.
6/ Do not use ASCII codes above 127.
7/ Implement media handlers as separate library functions.

I do understand all your desires and suggestions. But given that fact that we have a fully operational filemanager, one for VGA, and one for VT100, I am not sure it is worth the effort to start from scratch, and write a new one. I personally am happy with what I have, it starts immediately when I press F9(or F5 in my case), it sizes my Putty screen/Teraterm screen according, it does what it needs to do. Yes, it is huge (50+kbyte) but who cares. A flash slot is 100k, and I cannot use it for anything else when it has the filemanager in it. And my VGA platforms will use the VGA version.

Those are my thoughts,

Volhout

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Posted: 10:26am 18 Mar 2025

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dddns said @Volhout
I think it is a must, and Javavi himself is of cause invited to contribute, but in order to make it possible finding its way into PicoMite, Peters criteria need to be fulfilled. I definitely think that he would reject the approach as it is.

I think I agree with you that this filemanager may not meet Peter's criteria for integration into the main build. So you have to type few lines to get it in a flash slot.

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Edited 2025-03-18 20:26 by Volhout

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Posted: 10:37am 18 Mar 2025

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Maybe my English is too concluded..

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Volhout said Hi Michel,

Something went wrong. FM 02029 vt100 tested on V6.00.02rc5 on a RP2040GEEK....

Perhaps your Teraterm doesn't understand the escape sequences for the selected files? New in 02029 is the use of ESC "[38;5;208m" (line 39). In version 2026, ESC "[96m" is used for cyan (line 38). You can simply change this in the source code or download 02030.

fm02030.zip

Your comment on the new switch to codes <=127 would be interesting.

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Perhaps your Teraterm doesn't understand the escape sequences for the selected files? New in 02029 is the use of ESC "[38;5;208m" (line 39). In version 2026, ESC "[96m" is used for cyan (line 38).

I always try to keep on learning. Would you please explain the sequences in detail.e.g. what 96 or 208 stand for?

And I don't understand what you mean with: my terraterm - your terraterm

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Posted: 11:58am 18 Mar 2025

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Using Teraterm 4.105 (that is not the latest...) from 2019.
02030 works fine with it.

Installed Teraterm 5.4.0, and it does not show correct characters above 127 using Terminal font. CP852 is not selectable. So I will stay with the old one.

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Edited 2025-03-18 22:19 by Volhout

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too concluded again. I mean why he makes a difference. The protocol is developed by DEC and not by terraterm. Terraterm itself I used some 20 years ago..I know about its existance.

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Frank N. Furter said ... - When I view a text file with F3, the message “Press any key!” appears. However, only page-up, page-down and ESC work....

Hi Frank,
RTFM!

No, I'm just kidding.

If you press <F1> in the f3 text display, the available keys are displayed.* The "Press any key!" is a bit short. I'm trying to save space and assume that users are also capable of reading the source code. You certainly can! The modules I've provided were never intended as finished units, but rather as demos for features that Vadim might want to include in his program.
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The meaning of INS & DEL:
INS allows you to jump to a specific line, while DEL is supposed to save the current page as "0snippet.cut." It has an error and apparently aborts the file view. I'll probably disable it.

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Posted: 12:14pm 18 Mar 2025

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@Harm

I use Teraterm 4.85 of nov. 2014!

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Posted: 12:19pm 18 Mar 2025

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dddns said The protocol is developed by DEC and not by terraterm.

Teraterm and the "window" it runs inside can hopefully understand the escape sequences and create the desired result.

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Posted: 12:21pm 18 Mar 2025

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JohnS said

dddns said The protocol is developed by DEC and not by terraterm.

Teraterm and the "window" it runs inside can hopefully understand the escape sequences and create the desired result.

John

I always thought, that is what it is made for ages ago

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Posted: 12:34pm 18 Mar 2025

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Volhout said ... Installed Teraterm 5.4.0, and it does not show correct characters above 127 using Terminal font. CP852 is not selectable. So I will stay with the old one. ...

This is my ASCII table in Teraterm, with Terminal font.

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Posted: 12:48pm 18 Mar 2025

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Teraterm 5.4.0
Terminal font
ASCII table...

After you change "encoding" from UTF-8 to ISO8859-1 all is dandy....

Edited 2025-03-18 22:51 by Volhout

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Posted: 12:53pm 18 Mar 2025

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Thanks Harm, very interesting!

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Posted: 07:12am 22 Mar 2025

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Thanks @Harm for figuring this out. Looks great now.
I used Tera Term 5 as a standard and was wondering what was going on on my PC ...

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Thomas

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Posted: 07:30am 22 Mar 2025

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Tiny wish: Would it be possible to clear the terminal when exiting the fm?

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karlelch said Tiny wish: Would it be possible to clear the terminal when exiting the fm?

Hi Thomas,
yes, that was a typo (Cc$ <-> Cs$).
I also adopted a few additional changes from the HDMI program.
fmvt02031.zip
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Posted: 07:17am 23 Mar 2025

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Hi Michael,
thank! Works!
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Sorry twofingers,

I undid your popup when exiting the filemanager with <ESC>.
I think this is not needed, and irritating.
I like the fast way of operating. F9 starts <ESC> exits. And F9 is pressed easilly again to re-open the filemanager. I personally would even remove the popups when copying, moving, deleting. When you type KILL "xx.bas", it is gone. Why confirm when you do this in the filemanager.

What happens, is that people "muscle-automate" the confirmation, because they do it every time, again and again. They do not even look anymore what the popup says. And when they make an error, they have already (automatically) confirmed anyway. It helps nothing.

I plan to remove (in my version) the popups altogether. Sorry...

Maybe it is because I mainly work with linux, where the system simply does what you tell it to, and not a windows environment where you have "DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DO THIS ?" more often...

Also: I would remove the MEMORY and MM.INFO(HEAP) from the F9 menu. They show only information of the filemanager itself. Nice for development, but useless to the end user. I do understand the use for the ASCII characterset, since on VT100 your visuals depend on it.

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Edited 2025-03-24 20:41 by Volhout

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Hi Harm,
there's nothing to apologize for! ;-)
I'm sure you understand my reasons, just as I appreciate yours. I think it makes a difference whether someone removes the prompt popups themselves or whether they were never intended. It's happened to me several times that I accidentally exited the program by pressing ESC.

My suggestion would be that you offer your modified program for download here, along with a description of the improvements. Then everyone can decide for themselves!

I'm also in favor of anyone who has relevant improvements mentioning them here or making them available for download.

I think it's commendable that you're engaging with this topic so intensively and seriously.

Regards
Michael
Edited 2025-03-24 21:30 by twofingers

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