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| VK4AYQ Guru  Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
NOT AS BAD AS THEY THOUGHT THEY MADE A MISTAKE WITH THE READINGS IT'S NOT 10000000 HIGHER THAN IT SHOULD BE ONLY ?000000 HIGHER THATS HEARTENING, IT MEANS YOU DIE A SLOW AGONIZING DEATH INSTEAD OF A FAST AGONIZING DEATH. DEEER BOB TEPCO employees had fled the complex's Unit 2 reactor when a reading showed radiation levels had reached 10 million times higher than normal in the reactor's cooling system. Officials said they were so high the worker taking the measurements had withdrawn before taking a second reading. On Sunday night, though, plant operators said while the water was contaminated with radiation, the extremely high reading was a mistake. "The number is not credible," said TEPCO spokesman Takashi Kurita. "We are very sorry." He said officials were taking another sample to get accurate levels, but did not know when the results would be announced. The situation came as officials acknowledged there was radioactive water in all four of the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex's most troubled reactors, and as airborne radiation in Unit 2 measured 1000 millisieverts per hour - four times the limit deemed safe by the government, Kurita said. Officials say they still did not know where the radioactive water was coming from, although government spokesman Yukio Edano has said some was "almost certainly" seeping from a cracked reactor core in one of the units. Foolin Around |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
NUTTAN WONG MIT MEEE 
may be a useful mutation as it couldn't run away when you need to catch it. Bob Foolin Around |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Contributed by Isiah Dear readers, As the dreadful truth about the Fukushima catastrophe slowly unfolds, it turns out this disaster is far worse than we were ever told. For starters, the total radiation ultimately released from Fukushima may soon surpass that of Chernobyl. Reactors No. 2 and 3 are still out of control, with pumps not working and radiation levels too high to allow workers to even function there. (So how are they supposed to repair the coolant pumps, anyway?) Here's the breakdown of the latest news from Fukushima, including a summary of the status of all six reactors: http://www.naturalnews.com/031882_plutonium_soil.html I've also posted a 7-minute video news update on the Fukushima incident at YouTube, viewable here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ktAEMqZTvc Detectable amounts of radiation from Fukushima have now reached both Florida and the Carolinas: http://www.naturalnews.com/031881_radiation_Fukushima.html And the fallout is just starting. Bob Foolin Around |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
FOR THOSE THAT WOULD DEFY MURPHIES LAW AND SUPPORT NUKE POWER AS WE KNOW IT NOW. AAP NEWS Workers have struggled to cool the plant, prevent a large-scale meltdown and dispose of thousands of tonnes of highly contaminated run-off water, while radioactive substances have tainted foodstuffs and groundwater nearby. Japan said on Thursday the plant would be scrapped following the crisis. Up to 1000 bodies of victims of Japan's quake and tsunami remain uncollected in the exclusion zone around a stricken nuclear plant because of radiation fears, a report says. Radiation from the plant north-east of Tokyo has wafted into the air, contaminating farm produce and drinking water and seeped into the Pacific Ocean. In a stop-gap measure to contain the crisis at the plant, crews have poured thousands of tonnes of water onto reactors where fuel rods are thought to have partially melted, and topped up pools for spent fuel rods. But the run-off of the operation has accumulated in the basements of turbine rooms connected to three reactors and filled up tunnels, making it too risky for workers to go near to repair cooling systems needed to stabilise the plant Citing police sources, Kyodo News said authorities had intended to transport the bodies outside the 20-kilometre evacuation zone imposed around the Fukushima power station, but were reconsidering the plan. Authorities are considering decontaminating the bodies in the nuclear exclusion zone where they are found, but are concerned that the process could damage decomposing bodies further, hampering identification, Kyodo said. If the bodies were handed back to relatives without decontamination, cremating them could spread plumes containing radioactive substances, while burying them might contaminate the soil, the report said. After the tsunami transported some victims long distances, and families were separated by the wave of destruction, many in the disaster-hit region have spent the time since the disaster seeking signs of their missing friends and family. Bob Foolin Around |
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philb Regular Member  Joined: 05/07/2008 Location: United StatesPosts: 96 |
If all else fails... Sunday engineers went farther up the system and injected sawdust, three garbage bags of shredded newspaper and a polymer — similar to one used to absorb liquid in diapers — that can expand to 50 times its normal size when combined with water. philb |
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diver Newbie  Joined: 14/03/2011 Location: United StatesPosts: 7 |
Bob and all I am very saddened by the breached containment presumably from the hydrogen explosion and meltdown of reactor 3 with its M.O.X fuel rods now puddled and still 'hot' somewhere below original core location? I can hardly expect polymer to fix it?  The plutonium in the water 'get it' from the M.O.X. fuel rods? Swords to plowshares? my arse!
The commercial use of plutonium is wrong just morally and irresponsible to all on the Planet! The plutonium from old weapons was supposed to be glass fused and stored somewhere.... Now its spread all over the coastal waters of Japan and .... Stewart Red sky in morning sailor take warning, red sky at night sailor's delight. |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
FINALLY SOME GOOD NEWS Radioactive water leak into sea stopped: power company April 6, 2011 - 11:42AM Ads by Google Free Practice Accountwww.GFT.com.au Want to learn more about cfds? We can help. Learn More Radioactive water 5 million times above legal limit Japan dumps radioactive water into sea Radioactive water has stopped leaking into the Pacific Ocean from Japan's crippled Fukushima nuclear plant, Jiji Press reported, citing the operator Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO). TEPCO had on Tuesday injected sodium silicate, a chemical agent known as "water glass", to solidify soil near a cracked pit, from where large volumes of highly radioactive water had been seeping through and running into the sea. Advertisement: Story continues below Run-off from the plant has measured more than 1000 millisieverts and is believed to be the source of radioactive iodine-131 readings in ocean waters more than 4000 times the legal limit. The pit, which has a 20-centimetre crack in its wall, is linked to the plant's reactor No. 2, one of those which had its cooling systems put out of action by the quake and tsunami of March 11, triggering the nuclear crisis. Several unsuccessful attempts had been made to try to plug pipes that run to the pit, using a polymer and even newspapers and sawdust, and an effort to seal the crack with cement had also failed to stop the leak. SOME GOOD NEWS BUT THE DAMAGE TO THE ENVIRONMENT IN THE AREA IS DONE AND WILL REMAIN FOR YEARS TO COME BOB Foolin Around |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
THE HEROIC FEW PRESSED INTO SERVICE TO TRY TO SAVE A WORSENING SITUATION. Although lionized as the "Fukushima 50" by the foreign media, there are in fact about 700 workers engaged in the daily struggle with the "invisible enemy" at the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant. A month has passed in the dangerous and lonely efforts to resolve the crisis at the nuclear plant, and still, there is no end in sight. There are many tales emerging of the unselfishness and bravery of these workers, while others take a more realistic view of why they are risking their lives amid high radiation levels to cool down the plant's overheating fuel rods. A man in his 40s, who was dispatched to Fukushima No. 1 from a partner of the plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), said, "I did not want to go there. But if I reject the request, I will lose my job." The daily pay is less than 20,000 yen ($236). "I hear some construction workers were employed at a wage of several tens of thousands of yen per hour. But we are working on a conventional daily wage as our company has had cooperative relationships with TEPCO," the man said. Meanwhile, many of the man's colleagues volunteered to go into the plant, saying, "We are the only workers (that can do the job)." Because of that gung-ho spirit, they share a sense of solidarity, the man added. THE NEWS TONIGHT IS THE RATING OF THE DISASTER IS 7 NOW EQUAL TO CHERNOBYL AND THE BATTLE ISN'T WON YET. One of our eminent scientists from Adelaide stater there shouldn't be any risk to Australia, isn't that wonderful, we are to far away and on the other side of the equator, heaven help those close by and in range of the atmospheric discharge. Bob Foolin Around |
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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Yeah I heard last night things have taken a turn for the worse. This is really going to affect Japans future, especially in that region, where fishing is such a big part of the economy. There's been a bit of talk on the radio science shows about thorium reactors. I did some reading, and its interesting stuff. Thorium reactors were developed along with uranium reactors. Thorium is cheaper, more abundant, and much more efficient. Its a safer process, can be shut down, cant have a melt down, and has relatively harmless waste compared to the uranium reactor cycle. It needs a seed of uranium to start the fission process, but after that can self sustain. Uranium, on the other hand, is very inefficient, expensive, difficult to control and produces a lot of very dangerous waste. The reason the uranium process became popular is due to a byproduct of the cycle, caller plutonium. The big 4 players, UK, France, USSR and USA are such big uranium users because they have a nuclear weapons industry. You cant get any weapons grade material from thorium. These countries sell their reactors to other countries, like Japan. Development of the thorium reactor ceased in the 60's. It worked very well, but didn't produce plutonium. Today India is running a thorium reactor, and China is developing them to sell internationally. Its amazing how so many of our energy problems have been solved in the past, but for political/economic/military reasons, were mothballed. Google thorium nuclear power, its interesting stuff. I would support it. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Hi Glenn It is as always that any new development is only supported if it can produce a big profit or destruction of perceived enemies, as in the case of war they where bombed into submission, then coerced to buy nuke power stations that are destroying them again along with the local environment. There are many ways to satisfy power needs of the population without the risks incurred with nuke activity. I haven't had time to research the Thorium reactor but I will. All the best Bob Foolin Around |
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| KarlJ Guru Joined: 19/05/2008 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1178 |
The alternatives for Japan were very difficult to see as being reasonable in the past. Solar panels are trumped as the solution but even 10 years ago there simply was not enough manufacturing capacity world wide to make them and the cost was literally 10 times what it is today. mining deaths in the USA Keep in mind 3rd world ountries are still killing coal miners at the rates the yanks were 50 years ago. Green solutions are what we support, otherwise we wouldnt have our mills and our panels generating the abundant power. Amun-Ra - I have enough power for all I want and need. I am currently generating over 26,000KWhrs annually from 5.3KW here, 4.5kw (plus the mill) at the farm, 5KW at the family home in Melbourne out of that we feed in over and above our entire use some 6000KWhrs. Unfortunately thats kind of a drop in the ocean at the crazy consumption we have now. I look at the local park which uses far more than our house, with lights and bore and a fountain, all of which are run during inappropriate times, watering during the day running fountain at midnight, lights still on at 7am when its been light for 2 hours..... Luck favours the well prepared |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Hi Karl I agree with you that energy management is more important than just generating, there needs to be a rationalization of power use across the board, maybe the increase in cost may help all and sundry to reappraise their energy use. In my case i have reduced power consumption over 12 months from $2600 to $500 on a little one KW solar and a couple of mills putting in an average of 200 watts a day, a long way to go yet, but it can be done as you demonstrate, but there is little advantage to us as a group doing this while there is no energy management in place to make it a significant gain in alternate energy, hopefully the cost increase of energy will do that. All the best Bob Foolin Around |
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| domwild Guru Joined: 16/12/2005 Location: AustraliaPosts: 873 |
Re Thorium, My son works for a sand mine, where they produce Rutile, etc. Not only is there an abundant supply of rare earths in the waste heap, he tells me to get them out produces Thorium, which the env. dep. does not like as it is slightly radioactive. Let's hope there is not a general ban on all things radioactive and the research continues into Thorium reactors, pebble beds, etc. Once the gulf stream stops, there will be a new ice age in the northern hemisphere leading to a mass migration of, dare I say, Poms including King William and Oz Royals from Tasmania back to our lucky country, do we really want that? Taxation as a means of achieving prosperity is like a man standing inside a bucket trying to lift himself up. Winston Churchill |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Over the last few years I've been involved with a few groups like a solar car team and a renewable energy interest group. I've learned one thing. We have the technology now to have clean cheap abundant power, but government and big business wont let us have it. For as long as there is money in coal and oil, and some countries want plutonium for weapons, we will have to put up with rising energy prices, carbon taxes, nuclear accidents and governments that treat us like idiots. Some countries are breaking the mold and taking steps into the future. Most of the European countries are investing in solar and wind energy, Spain for example is installing solar farms, using molten salts to supply power at night, and now sell their excess power to France. Nigeria is installing hot rock power stations. These countries are investing in their future, its costing them big now, but in 20+ years, they will have cheap clean abundant power. Our governments wont do this, it will cost them votes, and they will spin the usual crap about unproven technology, cant supply base load, etc. Politicians can only see 3 years into the future. What they dont see is how cheap energy can drive a country forward. Coal and Oil is cheap energy, it still is, and its totally changed the world in the last 150 years. But its time is coming to an end. The countries that develop clean cheap abundant energy supplies now will benefit in the future. To them, we will look like a 3rd world country still using steam engines would to us now. Next time you see your local politician, ask them why we dont develop hot rock power stations. If they say something like the transmission lines cost too much, or it cant provide base load, tell them they are talking rubbish and they need to wake up to them selves. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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mac46 Guru Joined: 07/02/2008 Location: United StatesPosts: 412 |
VK4AYQ, and all, It may take something like you say,"higher energy prices", I think that home grown power is the greatest, It lets people realize just how hard it is to light a light bulb, and They also at the same time ,realize that they can reduce their power useage and conserve the power they have. People world wide are wakeing up to this...well not so much in the good old USA, but generaly speaking, some of us over here are aware of this and are starting to do what we can. I don't want any more nukes built. While driveing to the west of my place, I noticed a neighbor has built a sizeable hawt. It was'nt turning yet, so must be bran new, I'll take my camera next time I'm out that way, stop and ask him about it. .....Mac46 I'm just a farmer |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Hi Mac46 We live in a very wasteful society, food thrown out, good stuff in the land fill, and power wasted day and night. If people had to grow or make things it would give them a sense of value on what they are using instead of the bankcard society that is encouraged by commercial interests, get it now, pay it for life, and winge about the cost later when the product is already in the dump or the rubbish bin. I am sure that energy and recourse use could be halved with a bit of common sense. I look forward to the exposea on the mill. All the best Bob Foolin Around |
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| mac46 Guru Joined: 07/02/2008 Location: United StatesPosts: 412 |
VK4AYQ, I believe you've hit the proverbel nail right smack center. I could'nt have said it any better, and agree with every word. .....Mac46 I'm just a farmer |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Hi Mac46 It is unfortunate fact that it will take a financial melt down as of 70 years ago to bring the general populace to the realization that this present lifestyle isn't sustainable ad infinitum. Unfortunately it will concentrate the wealth and control into the hands of the scrupulousness banking and commercial interests that in cahoots with corrupt and inept government will once again seize the assets of the populace and make a fortune re selling them to the next generation of the inept population. All the best Bob Foolin Around |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
A FEW POINTS TO PONDER FOR THE SUPPORTERS OF NUKE POWER. Radiation Exposure & Illness http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/radiation-che mtrails-assaults-additional-support-for-your-immune-system What is known from research going back to Chernobyl’s nuclear catastrophe is that there will be a new, and probably quite dramatic, rise in various cancers (including tragically children’s), autism, brain dysfunction and damage, and an assortment of auto-immune and, most likely bio-weaponized, diseases. Since both Japan and the US have not reported the real radiation levels to which we are all exposed, millions of people who already are or will become ill will never be able to hold anyone accountable. Yoishi Shimatsu’s new article reports on more of the enormous cover-up and fraud, noting that TEPCO’s “‘compensation’ package doesn't cover medical benefits for radiation-caused cancers that are not expected to surface in victims for at least two years from now [even though some reactor workers have already died]. The government is going along with this publicity stunt, mainly because most politicians owe TEPCO under the reigning system of money politics. The plan is a fraud from its inception. …Nuclear is probably the only industry that can get away without risk coverage, due to its cozy connections with politicians, bureaucrats and military forces.”(1) This is the modus operandi of corporate and government crimes: a system of vast harm to everyone, but no accountability. As Dr. Helen Caldicott has noted, external radiation exposure and internal exposure are not the same. It is this invisible, ionizing radiation exposure, going into our tissues, organs, and bones, which will cause long-term damage. As Dr. Caldicott has written: “Internal radiation, by contrast, emanates from radioactive elements that enter the body by inhalation, ingestion, or skin absorption. Hazardous radioactive elements being released in the sea and air around Fukushima accumulate at each step of various food chains (for example, into algae, crustaceans, small fish, bigger fish, then humans; or soil, grass, cow's meat and milk, then humans). Entering the body, these elements -called internal emitters- migrate to specific organs such as the thyroid, liver, bone, and brain, continuously irradiating small volumes of cells with high doses of alpha, beta and/or gamma radiation, and over many years often induce cancer. Further, many remain radioactive in the environment for long periods [sometimes hundreds of thousands of years], posing danger for future generations.”(2) CONTRIBUTEDBY ISAIAH Foolin Around |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
THINGS HAVE GONE A BIT TO QUIET IN JAPAN, WHAT IS HAPPENING, THIS IS A DISTURBING OPINION. A Nuclear Rapture? Fukushima's Apocalyptic Threat By HARVEY WASSERMAN Fukushima may be in an apocalyptic downward spiral. Forget the corporate-induced media coma that says otherwise…or nothing at all. Lethal radiation is spewing unabated. Emission levels could seriously escalate. There is no end in sight. The potential is many times worse than Chernobyl. Containing this disaster may be beyond the abilities of Tokyo Electric or the Japanese government. There is no reason to incur further unnecessary risk. With all needed resources, it's time for the world's best scientists and engineers to take charge. Even then the outcome is unclear. For a brief but terrifying overview, consult Dr. Chris Busby as interviewed by RT/TV. Fukushima Units One, Two and Three are all in various stages of melting down. Molten fuel at Unit One may have burned through its reactor pressure vessel, with water poured in to cool it merely pouring out the bottom. A growing pond of highly radioactive liquid is softening the ground and draining into the ocean. There is no way to predict where these molten masses of fuel will yet go. Especially in the event of an aftershock, steam and hydrogen explosions could blow out what's left of the containments. The extra plutonium in the MOX fuel at Unit Three is an added liability. At least one spent fuel pool has been on fire. The site has already suffered at least two hydrogen explosions. Some believe a fission explosion may also have occurred. All have weakened the structures and support systems on site. These shocks and the soft ground may be why Unit Four has partially sunk and is tipping, possibly on the brink of collapse. Even a relatively minor aftershock could mean catastrophe. More explosions are possible. More leaks are virtually certain. Escalated radiation levels from any one of the reactors could force all workers to evacuate, leaving the entire site to chance. The New York Times has now reported that critical valve failures that contributed to the Fukushima disaster are likely at numerous US reactors. Significant radioactive debris has been found thousands of yards from the plant. Radiation levels in Tokyo, nearly 200 miles away, have risen. Fallout has been detected in North America and throughout Europe. Radiation pouring into the sea has begun to spread worldwide. There is much more, none of it good. Japan and Germany have had the good survival sense to abandon future reactor construction, and to shut some existing sites. But here, the corporate media blackout is virtually complete. Out of sight, out of mind seems the strategy for an industry desperate for federal loan guarantees and continued operation of a rickety fleet of decaying old reactors. The Obama Administration has ended radiation monitoring of seafood in the Pacific. It does not provide reliable, systematic radiological or medical data on fallout coming to the United States. But we may all be in unprecedented danger. A national movement is underway to end atomic give-aways and turn to a green-powered Earth. Now we must also move ALL the world's governments beyond denial to focus on somehow bringing Fukushima under control. After two months of all-out effort, four reactors and at least that many spent fuel pools remain at risk. Our survival depends on stopping Fukushima from further irradiating us all. The world community has come together to put a new sarcophagus around Chernobyl. A parallel, more urgent effort now needs to focus on Fukushima. Whatever technical, scientific and material resources are available to our species, that's what needs to go there. NOW! http://www.counterpunch.org/wasserman05202011.html THIS S AN OPINION AND MAY OR MAY NOT BE ALL FACTUAL. The fact is that nuke power in its present state of development is and can be a hazard to all of us, the wise are backing away from it while the stupid keep telling us it the safe clean power of the future, as far as I am concerned the only safe reactor powering the earth is the one thats 93,000,000 miles away. Bob Foolin Around |
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