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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
I don't. What's your point?   Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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KeepIS Guru  Joined: 13/10/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1882 |
Latest version of Win 10 allows you to defer all updates for many months before reverting to deferring to the next day before asking you again. I know users have a lot of problems with window 10 installs and updates, however the only time I have ever has a problem was with laptop hardware and drivers, never has a problem on my 3 x 7 year old micro towers. I program under them and go back to CPM, Turbo Dos and all versions of windows. I have found Win 10 to be the most stable of any version of windows including Win 8 64 bit. I boot straight to the Desktop and this system gets every type of strange USB hardware and flaky driver thrown at it. It can't just be luck as I use multiple PC's and tablets. I have a tiny palm sized micro PC in my vehicle running Windows 10, it has 13 USB devices and 4 vehicle interface micros that I programmed in assembler for integrating everything into the vehicle hardware, iDrive hardware, Mobile phone module, two GPS receivers, 8" HDMI touch screen and runs and looks like an integrated head unit with no hint of windows, just a full GUI front end. It has run faultlessly for over 3 years with auto hibernate and 10 second resume at vehicle power on / off. It gets a restart every 4 months (automatic programmed) and has never faulted except for one failed GPS module, even has a micromite handling transmission dual pressure and temperature conversion interface and logging. Windows 8 was a DOG with USB devices in that system, so my experience has been different. I absolutely agree with the annoyance of having to set MS spy crap off after a major upgrade / update, but it only takes me a few minutes. I also have a simple app to turn off all unneeded writes to the SSD's and I have a check list of power setting that need to be modified for the way I use the system. We can argue that you should not have to do so, but I can live with it. NOTE: I'm not making light of the genuine problems encountered by so many people with Windows 10, I also feel for the standard home user when things go wrong, actually with anything these days, but then again they have been behind the eight ball for a long long time now. NANO Inverter: Full download - Only Hex Ver 8.1Ks |
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| joebog1 Senior Member  Joined: 07/11/2015 Location: AustraliaPosts: 114 |
To Grogster, You just finished telling us you spent hours "perusing" windowz setup files and probably hacking the registry to even make wireless work!!! BTW wireless has ZERO security !! KeepIS, is most likely a games player!! AFTER all is said and done, windowz is a games platform!! it was NEVER intended for anything computer related, apart from how many drongoes you could kill!! Gill Bates is worth trillions, and you STILL support him!! YOU get what you pay for !!!! I wish I had some money  WITH respect, Joe |
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| Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 814 |
Wireless has adequate security for most purposes, and has little to do with the O/S anyway I currently have 2 wired computers, 1 because its less that a foot from the router (win7), and the other is the media server to the lounge tv set which suffered 'stuttering' when playing movies on wireless(android)- apart from that I have 1 ubuntu wireless, 1 xp wireless, 3 android wireless, 1 ipad wireless and 2 linuxcnc wireless I challenge you to break into my wireless system, because unless you physically break in and set your mac address as an allowed device, you aint never leeching off my wireless! ;-) |
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| joebog1 Senior Member Joined: 07/11/2015 Location: AustraliaPosts: 114 |
To Boppa To break in try TOR AT least you have LinuxCNC TOTALLY free, NOT easy but capable of superb results. I DID NOT start the twist to Linux for any reasoan OTHER than: QUESTION : the two LinixCNC!! did they integrate and load SEAMLESSLY ? and DONT winge you dont know Gcode!!! I BET my left nut, that the ONLY setup you DID NOT NEED to fiddle with was the LinuxCNC installs Yes, mods!! you can boot me, OR chastise me!!! To Boppa !!!! WHY the hell would I bother leetching off bloody NBN ( AKA No Bloody Network) ??? I will withdraw from this conversation in view of EXPERT opinion!! ( Expert, somebody that knows EVERYTHING about nothing, Engineer, somebody that knows NOTHING about everything ) Mods can boot me if desired, BUT keep in mind the above is exaclty what happens to ALL good forum' PHEW !!!! with my best regards Joe |
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Herry Senior Member Joined: 31/05/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 261 |
Most of us come here for technical info. While a little light humour now and then is good, I don't think these latest posts are helpful. Purely a personal opinion. Senior?! Whatever it says, I'm a complete and utter beginner... |
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| KeepIS Guru Joined: 13/10/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1882 |
To joebog1: KeepIS, is most likely a games player!! AFTER all is said and done, windowz is a games platform!! it was NEVER intended for anything computer related, apart from how many drongoes you could kill!! Wrong again, did you actually read the post? Never play games. When you have 20 years of micro interface programs written under Windows, you don't just jump ship because someone doesn't like the OS that you are using, which BTW does not and has not cost me a thing. I don't have a problem with it, it's simply a means to an end and an effective means for me. All the one line put downs and silly quotes won't influence most of us, and I am certainly not trying to change yours or other minds and not putting down other OS options. It works for me - and that's it - don't try and guess what I do or what I know from one short general post on a sub forum. NANO Inverter: Full download - Only Hex Ver 8.1Ks |
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TassyJim Guru Joined: 07/08/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 6283 |
Grogster, Try Linux Mint. It looks and feels a lot like Windows which will make using it less of a re-learning exercise. Boppa, Before you claim that WiFi is secure 'enough', read up about the recently announced 'Krack security breach'. If it ever gets loose in the wild, there will be a lot of fixed wiring going in. Jim VK7JH MMedit |
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| Herry Senior Member Joined: 31/05/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 261 |
I agree. I found Mint superb except it won't run my VisualBasic6 stuff Senior?! Whatever it says, I'm a complete and utter beginner... |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
I think we've touched a nerve with Joe there. @ Joe - OK, yep, you are right - I spend hours fighting W10 settings. But please be aware that these were other people's machines NOT mine. I don't use W10, and never plan to because of all these hoops I would have to jump through. The point being that if you are in the business of helping people with computer problems, you are REQUIRED to try to fix the problems they are having, and that in and of itself involves you having to waste a great deal of time on a system you personally would never touch. That has absolutely ZERO to do with my supporting MS or otherwise helping them by working on W10, as they are not my machines.  Thanks for commenting anyway - all opinions are useful to have, but I would suggest at this point that perhaps you try to adopt a slightly more light-hearted approach. Your comments about being booted from the forums suggests that this has happened to you on other forums, and generally speaking, there is just-cause for such banishment. Just saying.... Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 814 |
Hmm seems it only affects WPA2 (actually I'm surprised its gone this long without any major issues) and only affects http calls, which is getting rarer these days, most websites are on https or switching to it plus it requires wardriving, which is a remote possibility here (and when I move to my new house- that possibility will be so close to zero as to not matter- others may be in a different position of course I'm assuming that a patch will be released eventually, problem is rolling it out- how many people ever actually update the firmware of their router- I know I've never done it (even though its as simple as going into the routers homepage and clicking a button on mine) Maybe just go back to WAP for a while lol I could upgrade some to wired links, but quite frankly its a PITA, esp as its not my house to do so- so drilling holes in walls etc is definitely a nono and some things like the phones/pads etc cant be (and sort of defeats the idea in the first place), and going to their 4g isnt really an option either unless helstra does a major backflip and allows unlimited data on 4g, my plan is currently $10 a gig, hence the use of the wireless link to the houses broadband whenever possible |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
I have downloaded the latest version of Linux Mint and will try to install this on a spare machine at the weekend. Most people seem to say good things about Mint. Is there some specific reason or set of reasons as to why Mint is different from the plethora of other Linux distros? Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5119 |
You can always rely on a Linux V Windows discussion to get a few members hot under the collar. Keep it civil and remember, the other person could be right or wrong, but their views are still valid. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| Herry Senior Member Joined: 31/05/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 261 |
I feel it is the most Windows-like distro, so the easiest to transfer to. Senior?! Whatever it says, I'm a complete and utter beginner... |
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| matherp Guru Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 10315 |
Just for balance: I do all my development on W10. MMX, Pi-cromite, CFunctions, PCB design etc. The install is absolutely standard, I don't have to play with the registry. Automatic updates are enabled. It has never crashed and is running on a 2011 Dell workstation. It is also used for Salae logic analyser, Picoscope, and 3D printer - all without any issues. Perhaps its affecting my productivity though |
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CaptainBoing Guru Joined: 07/09/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2170 |
Exactly! do not panic. This is not something someone sat in their basement can exploit from the other side of the world, they have to be virtually right next to you. I know it is security through obscurity, but it isn't a bad thing in this instance - just scan your local area and see what access points are available (you guys in the bundo need not apply ) couple that with the warring and there is plenty of time to get patched. Really. Most people aren't even on the spectrum.MS patched in October, (but even you guys still on <Win7 really don't need to worry too much - see above) and Apple will have patches out very soon... but with delicious irony, it seems that due to them churning out their own "versions" (i.e. not paying IEEE $$$$) both MS and Apple are probably un-affected by this particular flaw anyway. The ones who need to patch soon are anyone running Linux with wpa_supplicant 2.4 or earlier and Android 6 or earlier. Don't fall into the trap of thinking "I'm immune to everything, I've got Linux". http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/17/kracken_patches/ |
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| Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 814 |
Funnily enough a friend of mine was right into the then unknown black flying triangles (turned out he was right- the stealth fighter) and echelon phone taps (turns out he was right about that too) but one of the things he got me into was video signal taps- surprisingly easy to do back in the 80s with composite video signals- we could pick them up over 50m away, even vga could be picked up from well outside a house, anyone with a tower even these days would still be easily watched practically everything they did with less than a couple of hundred bucks of gear, it comes down to how likely you are to be targeted,and is it worth their while? Really imho for 99.999999% of people, worrying about a hack that requires multiple holes to line up including wardriving?? nah, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it |
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| Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 814 |
Capt, from the guys who discovered it " Note that if your device supports Wi-Fi, it is most likely affected. During our initial research, we discovered ourselves that Android, Linux, Apple, Windows, OpenBSD, MediaTek, Linksys, and others, are all affected by some variant of the attacks. For more information about specific products, consult the database of CERT/CC, or contact your vendor." https://www.krackattacks.com/ and further, it seems everyone could be affected by it including Apple and Windows both who have a bad history of not supporting their older products Currently (unless they decide to do a special release like Microsoft did with the XP patch recently released), the cutoffs appear to be Win7 onwards for M.S. and OS X 10.11 El Capitan onwards for Apple, Kitkat for android (although that depends primarily on the units manufacturer and carrier- some brand new nexus models arent supported at all brand new from the box, and anything with a TI chipset is sweet out of luck as well) Ubuntu is already looking to release a patch by friday, it will cover any bsd kernal so get it and Linux is pretty much covered Linux users tend to be more towards the techsavy side and as such are less likely to be guilty of the 'it cant happen to me' mindset, apple users are the ones more likely to be guilty of ' its an apple, they dont get viruses' groupthink (thats just imho of course) |
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| Herry Senior Member Joined: 31/05/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 261 |
Is a new thread appropriate for this hack as is affects many other o/s and not just W10? Mods? Others? Senior?! Whatever it says, I'm a complete and utter beginner... |
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| Paul_L Guru Joined: 03/03/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 769 |
@Grogs -- So you think you've got problems! Ha! Take a look at a thread I started back in June. http://www.thebackshed.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9656&KW=Paul_L And here's a text file detailing the hassle which has still not settled down. 2017-10-19_020320_windows_fun.zip I will be surprised if you have the patience to read the entire thing. Paul in NY |
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