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Mixtel90 Guru  Joined: 05/10/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8355 |
Strange it should start bothering about that now - Windows has been an existential threat to the world for many years. ;) Mick Zilog Inside! nascom.info for Nascom & Gemini Preliminary MMBasic docs & my PCB designs |
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9770 |
Oh, it WAS working... Try this link. They come with two beefy(thick) USB3 A-A leads for use with it. You can get super cheap versions of this thing, down to $2 or so, but you get what you pay for, so I chose these ones that cost a little more, but they DO work as advertised. Edited 2025-11-12 09:29 by Grogster Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5160 |
I gave up. Got Signal to work with a switch thats turns off GPU support. Found that on a forum with people having similar issues. Never resolved the mouse capture issue in Fallout 4, the "fix" is to go full screen, but if you have 2 screens, dont move your mouse to fast to the right or it leaves the game. I cant play full screen, I get motion sickness, so in Windows I run in a window, and it manages to capture the mouse ok. Got the printer installed using instructions on the Brother web site. My printer is not included in the list of printers in the Linux add printer dialogue, so had to use Brothers instructions. Still had a shutdown issue, takes 90 seconds to shut down a process every time, didn't record it to share. Dreamweaver was still sluggish though tested ok, but it wasn't until I actually needed to do some work that I realised how slow it was. Files slow to open, changing from code to design view slow, generally unresponsive. I guess its a high end Windows program running in Wine, there are bound to be a few issues. Never got MySQL Workbench to work, either the official Linux release ( it worked for fedora 42, not 43 ) or under Wine. I did try the "Linux alternative" DBeaver, but it crashed when opening the large MySQL files I need to use with out of memory errors, then wouldn't exit cleanly. It was fine for smaller files, but I need to work with files over 50M. Managed to get PHPMyAdmin to work, had to change my php.ini config to throw more memory at it, but it did work and I could have used that, though it lacks some of the features of MySQL Workbench. Yes I could add a VM and run these apps in the windows environment, but whats the point of booting into Linux if I then need to start a Windows VM to use the PC. I ran Fedora 43. Seams like a lot of these problems people are having is the latest editions of the distros. Like the NVidia drives that worked on Zorin 17 but not Zorin 18, though thats a unbuntu decision to be far to Zorin and Mint. Yesterday I booted back into Windows 10. And loved it. Everything worked. But I've keep the fedora SSD aside, I may have another play when I'm bored. Yes, no doubt I could resolve these issues in Fedora. No doubt, with a little more knowledge, and chance for the new distros to get sorted out by their community. Everyone's experience is very different, a solution that worked for some will not work for others. Me, I dont have time, I need to get back to work. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5160 |
Just thinking this over, I will say, I really liked the Fedora KDE desktop. I think thats why I persevered with it for a few days, I did want it to work. If it was a general purpose office PC, for emails, browsing, office stuff, image editing, home CAD, I would highly recommend it over Windows. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9770 |
Thanks for trying, Gizmo.  You at least TRIED, and tried various distros and things, and I respect that. Many try ONE distro, and at the first hurdle, moan that it is not Windoze.  Put simply: "Linux is not for everyone." You have to use what works for YOU. Yes indeed, and that was MY very own argument, for YEARS now, when I could not run my Windoze-only CAD software reliably under Linux. YES - they run fine inside a VM in Linux, but EXACTLY AS YOU SAY...... That's why I now have a WIN8pro machine dedicated to the Windoze-only CAD, and NOTHING ELSE. All my other PC requirements, are now on Linux, including Internet and email etc. ....but W11 does indeed help promote how Linux CAN do most general-purpose stuff, so at least we have many other people CONSIDERING Linux now over W11, so there is that.  EDIT: Here is my current setup.  WIN8pro on the top-left monitor, Linux Mint on the bottom two monitors. WIN8pro does all my CAD, Linux Mint does everything else. Edited 2025-11-12 17:12 by Grogster Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5160 |
Yeah I did seriously consider the VM option to run Dreamweaver, but I would have wanted to add a few other favourite programs to the Windows list, CAD especially, where there is no Linux alternative. I use a few older cad programs that are definitely not Linux friendly. When the programs in the VM outnumber the programs in the host OS, just run what OS is in the VM. I know there are usually Linux alternatives to many of these programs, but I dont want to learn how to use these tools when the tools I have are doing the jobs and I am so familiar with them. My CAD program of choice is all keyboard shortcuts for snaps, etc. Years using the one program has given me a muscle memory I would have to relearn. But the big deal breaker was Dreamweaver. I use the CS3 edition, bought it many years ago for several hundred dollars. Its perfect, and way more advanced than the other html/php editors out there, for to many reasons to list. Unfortunately I cant reinstall it because Adobe shut down the registration servers ( to many people not buying new editions, just re-registering their old CS3 ), so I cant migrate my CS3 to another PC. I do have a copy of CS5 with key, that's what I installed in Linux, but I was never a fan of CS5, preferred CS3, like a lot of other developers. So on Linux I had to run CS5, which I dont like, and it was glitchy, which I also didnt like. Glenn Edited 2025-11-12 17:35 by Gizmo The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4164 |
Glenn, Thanks for the reports, I'm planning to try Zorin (maybe) / Fedora KDE (likely). I think Zorin 18 is a bit new so maybe I'll hang back a bit on it. John |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4164 |
Aha - thanks! John |
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KeepIS Guru Joined: 13/10/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1986 |
FYI Zorin OS 18 builds on Ubuntu 24.04 LTS with Linux kernel 6.14. Kernel type Monolithic (Linux kernel) Userland GNU Default user interface GNOME, Xfce Repository launchpad.net/~zorinos/+archive/ubuntu/stable/+packages The latest Ubuntu release is 25.? and it's a real problem for those wanting to used some older applications. The new security model enforces sandboxing of almost everything. Some apps can be made to work, but for how long? I've been running it along side Zorin 18, and I really do like it. There is a huge array of verified apps, however so other packaged apps apparently take shortcuts get flagged by the new security platform and won't run. I imagine Linux purists will absolutely hate this, I can understand why, some say it's straying down the MS path of User control, No one is forcing us to use Ubuntu though. With Zorin, the only thing I could NOT get working was the Newer printer, under 2 years old, there are tons of drivers in the system for all printer makes, just not the latest Epson models. Under Ubuntu 25 release there was no problems, it found the Printer on the LAN and installed the correct driver and had it working perfectly all by itself. I went into Printers to set it up and it was already there. Finally, can someone point me to a Linux programming editors / IDE that will support the Various Arduino boards and allow Arduino C code to be compiled for the specific board just like the official IDE. I mean without spending a week or two trying to set it up.  NANO Inverter: Full download - Only Hex Ver 8.1Ks |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4164 |
I've never used it, but there's an IDE for Arduino, isn't there? John |
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| tgerbic Regular Member  Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: United StatesPosts: 98 |
Looking through the well written Zorin marketing, I guess it will be the replacement for Linux Mint for 2026. There will be a lot of scrambling for dominance in the Windows 10 replacement market. Be interesting to look into how the security works. |
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| EDNEDN Senior Member  Joined: 18/02/2023 Location: United StatesPosts: 278 |
Yes... And it works well for small, simple pieces of code. But any larger project runs into all kinds of problems. |
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| KeepIS Guru Joined: 13/10/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1986 |
Yes there is an Arduino IDE, I have it running on Zorin, but the latest version 2.xx is only available as an appimage or Zip for Linux, the previous version 1.xx is crap, and while Zorin will happily run the new appimage or unzipped application with a few terminal commands and an appropriate desktop shortcut, there is no install package and both won't run without a "no sandbox" terminal command under root access on the latest Ubuntu, which is not good. From the various postings and forum info I've read, there is a bug in the latest releases around the new Armor security system, which is not helping. EDIT: Forgot to point out that the latest IDE also has to run via sudo under Zorin as well with the previous LTS version of Ubuntu 24.xx. . Edited 2025-11-13 09:37 by KeepIS NANO Inverter: Full download - Only Hex Ver 8.1Ks |
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| tgerbic Regular Member Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: United StatesPosts: 98 |
Looks like Zorin still stuck with the old security modules from Ubuntu, AppArmor. It also has a simplistic firewall, the benefit is it should be easy to setup. Now I know why it is not mentioned in the product marketing literature. It does use ClamAV, which is a pretty good scanner. I use it in my desktop system. If you are not using rkhunter, you should install it during the initial installation, especially if you are using AppArmor. Well now I know... |
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| robert.rozee Guru Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 2471 |
i'm assuming you were running various of your Windows applications in a VM. you were installing the VirtualBox Guest Additions into the Windows installation within the VM? these additions are necessary to ensure that the mouse is captured correctly, and enables the OS within the VM to be granted access to resources outside of the VM such as printers, USB ports, HDD, etc. for instance, to access a USB to serial bridge from within a VM. or a 'shared' directory, even to provide internet access from within the VM. you can also configure a VM for use with a single application, in which case you never need to quit the application or shutdown the guest OS. when you close the VM it saves the current VM state and when next launched immediately starts back up where you left off in a matter of 10 or 20 seconds. essentially, your Windows application appears to the user (more-or-less) as if it is just another Linux application. this would be a good way of running your database and CS3 software - with one VM for each application. if Ubuntu keeps on down the 'locked in' pathway it is likely those distros that use a Ubuntu base (such as Mint) will simply transition to using a different base. the use of an Ubuntu base is simply for convenience, not a necessity for these other distros. wrt to AppArmor and AV software for Linux - my personal view is that such things are pretty much scaremongering. Linux in itself is highly resistant to hackers, provided folks are not silly enough to run untrusted software for which source is not readily available. cheers, rob :-) |
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| KeepIS Guru Joined: 13/10/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1986 |
Hi rob, that may be true but when you look at the world wide system security logging information, which I came across a year or so ago, I was very surprised, haven't looked since then, I believe Ubuntu and Zorin have a lot of corporate desktop clients now, I feel they want even more security, would the average Linux users need it, likely not. Not trying to argue anything, just my perspective of the current state of the Internet and AI programming available to masses. NANO Inverter: Full download - Only Hex Ver 8.1Ks |
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| tgerbic Regular Member Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: United StatesPosts: 98 |
I am still skeptical about linux AV software as well. There are commercial packages but I don't think it is worth the money from a linux perspective. I do a lot of backups during repairs for friends Windows systems (which may have been killed by a virus) so I don't really know what might be in the files and I don't want to restore something to a repaired Windows PC. I expect some problems with virus and malware will some day become a thing on Linux systems, along with hacking into home systems (though not sure for what). AI will probably be a helpful tool for that with a bit of training. It may not be that people are after something specific, but rather to prove it can be done. More like the early days of Windows machines where people were looking for bragging rights. Guess I am assuming that Linux will become popular enough to attract that kind of activity. |
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| tgerbic Regular Member Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: United StatesPosts: 98 |
Linux has not had that combination of mass popularity and no security (well some systems used a real password) that Windows enjoyed through its earlier days. Windows was always easy prey for people with bad intentions. |
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| KeepIS Guru Joined: 13/10/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1986 |
Just to clarify, I was referring to AppArmor strict application sand-boxing in Ubuntu 25.xx, agree on the virus scanner, I'v only ever used the one that comes with Win-11, I don't need more spyware in shape of an AntiVirus program, and have to pay for the privilege. It's strange that some Distros come with the BASIC firewall turned off by default. NANO Inverter: Full download - Only Hex Ver 8.1Ks |
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| dddns Guru Joined: 20/09/2024 Location: GermanyPosts: 710 |
I'm only using 1.8.xx and never had problems and it can be configured as I want. The 2.x is heading MS style. If I want seriously develop with Arduino environment, I'm using a different editor with option "external editor" in Arduino IDE because the internal doesn't use system fonts and hurts the eyes. I wouldn't touch it but if you don't completely deny MS then I still think the best solution is to develop with VSCode For me it would be strange, if it would be turned on. As long as no service is listening there is no need to do that. And with serious distros not even sshd is enabled. Otherwise I know where and how to turn on firewalling. |
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