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VK4AYQ
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Posted: 10:23pm 12 Jan 2010
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Hi OZ and PETE

I found my old notes and will put together some averages from that, as for the water consupmtion I didnt keep acurate figures for that as I used the 85 ltr water tank fitted to the truck and it got used for other things such as washing hands topping up windscreen washer etal. it was nearly empty every trip from memory but sorry I cant say for sure how many moles lived in it. Also it was not a sealed tank so there would be a small amount of evaperation. When I used it for the water injection I had to fill it twice a trip 4800 klm total distance.
As there was no way of metering the filling hose I didnt write it down should have I suppose to be fully accurate.

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Bob
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Posted: 11:45pm 12 Jan 2010
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I agree 20 amp do sound light on, but the owner swears by the difference and the trip computer onboard each truck also backs up his claims according to the drivers.

A cell will produce more HHO under vacuume than at a static pressure.
I dont know what the internals of the cells are made of or to what design.
One thing that i was curious about was they used the outer chamber for the negative and all the information i have read say you should use the outer chamber for the positive as the O's are attracted to the positive electrode and being the bigger bubble need the greater space to give better seperation.
In tests i have done also showed that this has an effect on the amount of gas produced.

Pete.
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VK4AYQ
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Posted: 12:23am 13 Jan 2010
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Hi Pete

A small multi plate cell I have at the moment working on pulsed 12 volt pulse ratio 4 to 1 average current 16 amps produced 2 ltr min hho at optimum frequenct the cell activity changes are quite pronounced as the frequency is altered. It has no neutral plates just + and -. tried it as resonant cell but no joy due to flat plate construction and no neutral plates.

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Bob
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Gary
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Posted: 04:40pm 11 Apr 2010
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Hello all,
I have been tinkering with the hydrogen idea for a while. And I thought that if you guys didnt about Zero fossil fuel(http://alt-nrg.org)he has his own youtube channel that you can visit(Zero Fossil Fuel). He has some really good ideas i was using some of his ideas and products for awhile. No I did not give up, I just dont have another vehicle to use the system on. And I didnt want something to go wrong and blow up my only vehicle.
Have a good day and good luck!

Gary
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Posted: 04:01am 12 Apr 2010
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Hi Garry

Thanks for the link, dont be to worried about damaging your car with this unit as we have been playing with this system for years ad the only thing that could cause a problem is flashback and you can make a flashback lock by using a screw top container with the inlet pipe from the hho generator going to the bottom of the container and the container three quaters filled with water and stainless steel scouring pad stole from the other half.The outlet pipe comes from the top of the container well above the water level.

The amount of gas produced at 20 amps is not enough to do any damage to the engine just make it run cleaner and save a bit of fuel, the use of hho as a complete fuel may be in the future, if we all keep working o the concept.

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Bob
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Posted: 08:37am 12 Apr 2010
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Hmmmm I think you will need to look a bit closer before you just bung it on a new car.

Most of the new cars have an engine management system that dont take too kindly to the changes in the emittions when HHO is used.
There is sensors every where to monitor these things and if you make a change on one then the system will try to compansate in other ways.
You might just end up using more fuel than you save or running to lean and melt a piston.

There is a lot of data around on these problems and you need to change the mapping or trick the sensors or you will have opened a can of worms.....that will bite!

If you are working with a diesel than the problems are not as bad.

Be warned!!!!!

Pete.
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