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domwild
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Posted: 02:32am 01 Jul 2010

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My neighbour is a fencing contractor and was able with his CALM licence to go into a forest after clearfelling and take out timber left over for his fencing business. No more! Since it has been more privatised any outsider is no longer allowed in or they charge too much for the waste so we have plenty of firewood to burn in the next fire season.

Taxation as a means of achieving prosperity is like a man standing inside a bucket trying to lift himself up.

Winston Churchill

VK4AYQ
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Posted: 10:19am 01 Jul 2010

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Hi All

It seems to me that the Government is misusing its power, to regulate by force their citizens, they loose sight of the fact that they are "pubic serpents" there to manage the assets of the people, as the people are the ultimate owners of the country as they keep it alive by their taxes.

The government steam rolls the citizens and keeps them in line with penalties and threat of imprisonment, the Gestapo is alive and well in Australia.

Instead of using common sense and situational education, they make money by enforcing their unreasonable and unconstitutional laws, to intimidate the public.

I am not a greenie or an environmental rapist but I believe in a asset development and improvement by good management which isn't the government policy, they use this situation to employ more dead headed sheltered workshop workers, to reduce the unemployment rate, all of which are non producers that the citizens must cough up more taxes to support.

If they claim ownership of the vegetation on your property, charge them a fee for the land use and maintenance of the vegetation.

The time has come to have some sensible people in government/ management not these posing obsequent psycophants that rule now, and that includes the so called public servants.

They are happy to sell of assets that in truth belong to the people, to get money to cover their incompetent management over the years.
What happens when this money runs out, extra taxes. If we tried to sell some of their assets we would be in jail for theft, while they do it and then say how good they are, and vote themselves a pay rise.

You would have to be really be on another planet to believe that doing what they say will help the global warming, the pollution comes from things they support as part of normal commerce, such as the coal industry, all that taken into account Australia produces 1.5% of the world pollution which isn't relevant in the world scheme of things, they are two faced parasites on the people they claim to represent, but in fact rip off over their political term.

Their solution to any problem is more taxes and more parasites to enforce the taxes.

I am glad to realize that I won't be around long enough to see the powers that be do the, "African disappearing bird trick". I pity my grandchildren, but they will be the canary in the shrinking cage generation and never know freedom.

Off the soapbox.

All the best

Bob

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Redman
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Posted: 07:01pm 01 Jul 2010

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Then do your best to disconnect from the system!

65,000kwh @ REC's $.40

The more interesting...

Penned by yours truly...
Edited by Redman 2010-07-03

VK4AYQ
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Posted: 02:03am 02 Jul 2010

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Hi Redman

The simple answer is I AM>

But not in the scale you propose as I'm to old now now to do things on a grand scale, now I can just watch others trying to do so, as I did when I was young, the only thing now is the increased bureaucratic BS to fight.

Best of luck with your projects, we need more innovative thinkers and doers such as yourself.

A very interesting concept on your site but will you live long enough to implement it and will the commercial interests through their lobbying government allow it as they cant make money from you and will point out to the government how difficult it would be to tax. I can see it being a profound success if it is used on a small lot but expand it at peril.

Also didn't notice the harvest of algae oil in the recycle process, I presume it to be pelletization for fish and stock feed.

All the best

Bob Edited by VK4AYQ 2010-07-03

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Redman
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Posted: 04:58am 02 Jul 2010

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Hi Vk

Its nothing new but like luggage and wheels we had both for 5000 years before 1985 when someone put wheels on luggage.

The schematic is the gas cycle of a farm lot or recycling center. The methods of growing food, Aquaponics is older than the pyramids. China / Asia stepped landscapes have always used it. The only difference is with Auqaponics you drain and flood the soils. The effect of draining introduces oxygen into the soil profile which prevents methane gas forming (methane gas in rice fields) which frees up carbon for plants uptake. You don't need this scale and frankly on smaller operations under 5 acres you only need a 2000 liter tank which can be buried thus avoiding the eyes of a council secret t**ser police.

They are doing this all across Asia to avoid using timber and cow dung for cooking fuel. Its working, people are scaling up and making electricity with even 1000 liter tanks.

The above is a city scale system capable of tuning domestic waste into fuel, food and reclaimed base materials of plastic oils and base metals such as gold and mercury.

RE: Algae.
It has multiple uses, frankly you can grow this stuff with nothing more than a clear plastic pipe. You can use it for a feed stock or base which I will along with beans and grain but it also gathers the carbon of CO2 which can be spread over your soils thus placing that into the soils where bacteria and fungi will digest it into sugars carbon and oxygen. In the syn gas process it is turned into pure carbon black and base oil which in a soil profile acts like a sponge via fungi with CO2 being consumed, again the process remains true.

The soils "bloom" bacteria, fungi and mosses which plants benefit from. The increased soil diversity increases the soils capacity to feed your crops. Its a closed situation where you have options of on selling the good stuff at the end of the cycle or returning it into the fields.

As a nutrient system you only harvest the grain for e.g, the rest is returned via the energy process.

As a pure energy system (biological in and out) it stacks up and makes tradition European farming practices look amateurish. Each part of the energy cycle is being consumed in one process (growing food) and then used in another way to provide energy to drive the system, the thing is acting as a giant solar factory as sunlight and chemistry are the basis of the energy drivers.

What goes in no matter where and what form it takes adds to the total of the energy available be it sugars, plant strach or gas products. You are simply harvesting all and taking small amounts then returning it.

Its a closed loop even with harvest and its 100% self sustaining, organic and pure.You don't need third party inputs like fertilizer and weedkiller.

Gas

Even a water tank, a pump, a plastic pipe and a profiled laser leveled clay based field with a drain tap will do it, its grass roots and needs nothing more than the ability to control water within your soil profile. The method is older than the pyramids and all we are doing is adding precision control of water and biology, ph, nitrification and carbon sequestration within the soils profile. What grows on top is of less importance. The fact is it will..

Keep the water under the surface and you never lose it to evaporation. Edited by Redman 2010-07-03

VK4AYQ
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Posted: 05:21am 02 Jul 2010

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Hi Redman

As they say nothing new under the sun, nearly. Most has been done before but is the overall implementation that's the trick.

I was working as a consultant on a 1200 lot enviro subdivision in central coast QLD but the opposition to it by various Idiot departments has delayed it for five years and now with the coming world financial crash, it has been put on hold indefinitely, the owners have spent over 5 million to this point, and all they have got to show is the lot sites prepared, and a truck load of paperwork that's useless, you can see why I am a skeptic of any thing requiring government participation.

I met with so many educated Idiots from various departments that my head spins even thinking about it.
The opportunity to build a site totally self sufficient really got me going but the government was threatened by the concept to the point of coming up with stupid reasons why it shouldn't happen.

They even wanted contribution of over 2 million to supply water to the site, when we showed them no water was required the wouldn't believe it.

I wont bore you with the details of all the stumbling blocks, but it really brought home to me that if they had another brain it would be lonely. So much for sustainability, I recon to put the gas generator to good use would be to feed it Pubic Serpents.

All the best

Bob

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Redman
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Posted: 05:41am 02 Jul 2010

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lol

Ignore them, I wonder if the Nationals, libs and Union fueled labor are tweaking the rules to their own set of agendas

For Eg the nats want water irrigation funding because the bulk of their constituents require it but have done nothing to address its use and formation.
Labor because they need "other peoples money" to build big farms like Cubby and Libs because they need people like Cubby to feed their policy on smashing small business and keeping the Scotch flowing.

I know one thing is true. Those towns like Rochester and Numurkah districts where the irrigation has been cut off leaves very cheap land.

Yesterday I spied 100 acres near Maryborough for $90,000

bingo...

If only I had the money.

As for councils, the heads at the top of their departments require a peer reviewed study of each element of the proposed design before they will accept it as a new standard. That leaves big corps and multinationals as the only players capable of funding such studies.

So much for the little guy with the big ideas and to hell with the economy. Big corps don't do these "ground breaking" things, they just follow a blueprint for making fast money.

If global warming is real, humanity is stuffed and thus traded on the share market as a derivative loss and tax write off..Edited by Redman 2010-07-03

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