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| paceman Guru  Joined: 07/10/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1329 |
@djuqa David, welcome back - very long time no hear from! Greg |
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djuqa Guru Joined: 23/11/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 447 |
I have 500Gbyte plan (ADSL 2+) so no worries. VK4MU MicroController Units |
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| djuqa Guru Joined: 23/11/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 447 |
Thanks, I have not been very well. Diabetes type 2 can be a Mongrel However I have lost over 20kgs and getting better. VK4MU MicroController Units |
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MicroBlocks Guru Joined: 12/05/2012 Location: ThailandPosts: 2209 |
@Djuga Last time i visited the doctor he told me i was pre diabetic. So still had some time to prevent it to get worse. I always thought i ate healthy, you know, yoghurt, orange juice, rice and vegetables etc. While studying how to do something about it i ran into a friend who started a ketogenic diet to loose weight. One of the things that makes this diet good for diabetics is that it can prevent the symptoms and use of more and more medicine. As long as you stay on that diet you will feel better, loose weight, your 'numbers' for triglycerides, ldl,hdl etc will improve dramatically. Basically you can live your live as if you did not have diabetes. So please check it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLLezlxrLyQ Microblocks. Build with logic. |
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| djuqa Guru Joined: 23/11/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 447 |
thats nice, but I will stick with my medically supervised diet and lifestyle careplan. VK4MU MicroController Units |
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| Phil23 Guru Joined: 27/03/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1667 |
I've used a lot of versions since day dot also & many I initially avoided became strong stable updates over time, but were initially problem some. DOS 6.0 was woeful initially; by 6.22 it was as solid as a rock. Win 3.11, 95, 98, 2000, XP & W7 all served well after a few service packs. Notable ones I completely avoided in the client base (or tried to), were Win Mill, Vista & W8. Phil |
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Herry Senior Member  Joined: 31/05/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 261 |
I found DOS 4.01 very poor. Senior?! Whatever it says, I'm a complete and utter beginner... |
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
As chronic says, W10 - the OS itself, seems to be pretty good. Even I will admit that.  Running programs and doing things in general - no major complaints from me there. My main complaint is about the number and size of the apparently constant updates. The way that W10 deals with the update is the other thing that really 'Annoys' me. By default, they are downloaded and installed in the background, but many others have pointed out the issues with that idea, from gobbling up all your data if you are on a limited broadband plan, to forcing restarts to install the new updates, which hold you back from your work for sometimes HOURS if you happen to have a slow machine. And I often see the update progress hang at xx% and never move from there for hours on end. A forced reboot will SOMETIMES clear that and then it completes, but I have also seen plenty of corrupted W10 systems after that forced restart - that is quite common, and you then have to spend WAY more time then anyone should have to, trying to settle W10 down again. In more then one case, the W10 update process was totally corrupted by that, and would not restart again, and the hoops you had to jump through to fix it was unbelievable - probably quicker to clean-install W10. People should not force a reboot if the updates appear to be hung, but if you wait an hour or so and the percentage meter has not moved, you can't really blame people for trying that. Hell, I did that MYSELF with my W10 tablet. It managed to self-recover though. I guess I was lucky in that respect! Yes, you can manually defer the updates to a later time, but no matter WHEN it does the updates, your machine IS gonna be off-line for ages while that takes place. A question I get asked ALL THE TIME about W10 updates is: "Why does it take so long to do the updates?" A good question. I usually say that because they are so big(the updates), it takes time to chew through them all. That usually results in a similar question: "Why are the updates so big?" Another good question...... If you have a slow machine or tablet, the W10 update process is so painful as to not make you want to touch the bloody thing ever again. That is my experience with my W10 tablet anyway. I hardly ever use the damn thing now. I just take my full-size laptop with W8.1 on it, and at least it it up and running on-site in no time and you can actually be productive with it instead of waiting for time itself to come to an end while you wait for the NEXT update for W10 to install.  Truth be told, I am SERIOUSLY thinking about simply not helping people with W10 problems any more, as they just take up SO MUCH TIME to fix, and I have other things to do these days. Rant, rant, rant, rant......sorry. Can't seem to help myself.  Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 814 |
I feel your pain Grogster, I got roped into fixing the neighbours win10 machine after a hung update, after leaving it all night it was still at the same spot, so he shut it down and now its majorly upset- wont boot etc etc I can access his hdd via my linux stick, so after over a full day spent trying to get it to the stage it would reboot and failing, I am currently copying everything he wants saved onto my external hdd and we are going the clean install route Of course this wont save it from future updates ^%$^%$ing it up again, so he is buying a new 2tb external hdd to keep all the important stuff on (says a lot about peoples perception of win10's reliability) as both he and I have had machines suffer data loss after systems failures in windows- I had to basically reformat the drive in linux and start again from scratch, doing a new win10 install over a corrupted one lost data/folder structure for some reason We are having to do this at my place as we are on an unlimited d/l atm (boy am I going to miss that when I move bush!!!) he is on a 8/12gb plan atm and the updates from a new install would probably take him over his limit I for one am NOT impressed by win10 at all.... |
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| matherp Guru Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 10315 |
I'd be interested to know if those who are having problems with W10 updates are running Norton or similar. I've got 7 machines of various vintages on W10 all of which run automatic updates and have never given any issues. I don't run any additional malware or virus protection other than weekly run of the free version of malwarebytes |
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| Herry Senior Member Joined: 31/05/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 261 |
Anyone now using W10 who now gets frequent internet modem dropouts, who didn't get them before under eg W7? (There have been reports of this happening, but I can't compare as I don't use W10!) Senior?! Whatever it says, I'm a complete and utter beginner... |
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| cs41 Newbie  Joined: 08/08/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 27 |
Hi again, I have the same problems with W10 as most of you are seeing. Since I work in small Pacific island countries where internet is expensive and slow, I avoid Win as much as I can. A trick that I do use a lot: If you are using a WIFI connection there is a quick way to prevent updates. After you are connected right click on the WIFI icon at the bottom left and then go to properties or something similar. You then can set the connection to "metered" or similar and this stops downloads of updates. As I have a few programs that won't run under WINE then WIN is the only answer. Spent 1/2 a day this week trying to download and install WIN10 in my new laptop so I could run a weather satellite data acquisition program. Just about everything that could go wrong did, but finally beat it in the end. Mint would have been installed in 10 minutes. Actually that laptop has both Mint and WIN 10 as dual boot. Last tip for today ... a very useful program to have on a flash drive is BOOT-REPAIR. Works well for fixing boot problems. Maybe not all, but has saved me many times, exp when WIN 10 wants to get rid of any references to other OS. Seems to happen after major WIN 10 updates where the dual boot is wiped out. cs41 |
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| Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 814 |
The one I am working on wasnt using nortons, in fact it had very little on it at all, having just been rebuilt a couple of weeks previous after a previous update failure... Only thing it was had on it was itunes etc (daughter uses Ipad) and a kindle library (this is the most important thing for him as there are 3 kindles in the family, with literally thousands of books and redownloading them is gigabytes of downloads, this plus the win10 downloads is likely to exceed his d/l limit on his plan Apart from that pretty much a clean machine- no games at all, used for surfing and emails and pics from their cameras, thats it I checked the hdd for errors (came back clean) and no obvious issues apart from the updates locking it up |
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| Paul_L Guru Joined: 03/03/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 769 |
I have found that Windoze 10 updates can be controlled. In services.msc you can right click on any service and select properties. You can then stop that service and set it to manual start. If you stop the following six services windows can not download updates. 1. Background Intelligent Transfer service 2. Cryptographic service 3. Windows Update service 4. Windows Module Installer 5. Windows Installer 6. Volume shadow copy I have been keeping these services disabled for several months. When I hear that an update has been out for a few weeks I make an image backup of my system disk to an external USB drive using Macrium 7 free before allowing the machine to download the update. Then I turn on the 6 services and allow windows to update. If the update fails I just restore the system disk from the Macrium image. Make sure you have previously made a Macrium rescue disk which will start the machine using Windows PE and restore the system disk from the image. After a few days I try the update again. Paul in NY |
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| Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 814 |
Or maybe.... (here's a novel idea, one that ms obviously hasnt considered before...) microsux could stop releasing updates that keep breaking peoples machines???? stop using the general public as beta testers and actually test their products before releasing them on people who have little to no idea about computers except how to turn them on and surf.... (ie most of the general public) They SHOULDN'T have to be techonerds to own a computer anymore- and when its becoming easier and easier to use a linux distro instead, the beginning of the end for microsoft is in sight... |
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| Paul_L Guru Joined: 03/03/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 769 |
Thanks to IBM's decision back in 1993 to scrub OS II, which I liked a lot, and not compete with Bill Gates Windows in now running more than 91% of all small computers. Apple's OSx accounts for less than 5%, Linux has about 3%. Windows draws the attention of virus writers because it is the obvious target. That's largely the reason for most of the updates. I'm not a windoze fan, I like IBM's OS/VM 3.7 running on the 3090 which is bulletproof, or the original DEC VAX OS which morphed into Apple's OSX, but I'm not a Linux fan either, there are just too many divergent forks and dissimilar distros. Windoze is here to stay, I'm afraid. We'll have to learn to live with it. After the disaster with my old unsupported Gateway desktop being made obsolete by updates I decided to stick with HP, Dell or Lenovo with win 10 pre-installed since support for their boxes is not likely to evaporate into thin air. Paul in NY |
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| bigfix Senior Member Joined: 20/02/2014 Location: AustriaPosts: 129 |
Small correction: DEC's VMS was architected by Dave Cutler, who was leaving 1988 to Microsoft after his pet project PRISM at DEC was cancelled Dave Cutler If you shift VMS by one Letter - it becomes WNT... Of course VMS was extremely stable and well architected But they managed to remove those characteristics for better graphics performance and running it on the inferior X86 HW So VMS is actually the origin of all the current trouble |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
Very interesting reading, guys, keep it coming.  @ Boppa - your post at the top of this page, is almost EXACTLY the problem I see with W10 machines on a regular basis - the apparent hanging at xx% of update thing is a very common problem with many people. @ matherp - My tablet had those issues, and had no Nortons, McAffee or anything else like that on it. Other people I have tried to help have sometimes had those softwares pre-installed, others not. Both kinds of setup give issues. I wonder if it perhaps related to the problem that was generated by W10 thrusting itself on all the PC's of the world during initial roll-out, where many, MANY machines were not really compatible with W10, so you then have unstable machines running W10 when they really should not be, but the W10 auto-installed just rolled it out to any machine it could find at the time.  @ Paul_L - Yes, that was one avenue I tried to fix one persons W10 laptop that would not do the updates, I tried to stop the services. There are pages on the web showing you how to do this, but in my case, something that SHOULD have worked(stopping the services) did not - W10 just spat back 'This service cannot be stopped.'. Gee - that's helpful, Bill...... So stopping the services, while it sounds like an ideal solution, does not necessarily work either.Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| Boppa Guru Joined: 08/11/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 814 |
My neighbours machine was shipped with win10 and I can understand his frustration with it, this will be the third rebuilt since buying it a few months ago- for quite a lot of dosh too (its a dell insperon 5000- well over a grand- just to net surf and email.... he went in to buy a 300-500 buck machine and was told by the staff that cheap machines crashed too often and didnt last long, turns out expensive machines crash just as often as well- he's complained to the store concerned and they just shrug it off as 'its windows, not our problem' To say he's unimpressed is putting it mildly, if bill gates visited this guys house, I'd fear for his safety.... eta How he found out I fixed computers is a story in itself! I mentioned before that I have on occasion let out a few good shouts at *&%^$^ windows 10 it should have been drowned at birth etc etc It calms me down and releases stress so I feel better Thats how he found out, I self incriminated myself! (am also now aware he can hear me from my workshop/spare bedroom- note to self- keep volume on swearing down!!!) |
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| Herry Senior Member Joined: 31/05/2014 Location: AustraliaPosts: 261 |
There seems to be a general opinion that the tone of arrogance came from someone else who joined Bill. I am a contented (but now frustrated) user of VB6, a brilliant Microsoft product that they abandoned, leaving millions of developers in the lurch. There is no doubt that many of their products are excellent but I do not count W10 among them. Senior?! Whatever it says, I'm a complete and utter beginner... |
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