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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Yes electrondady1, its true. We had a massacre here back in 2000 ( I think it was 2000 ) where some fruitloop decided to go wacko and shot 30 plus people. So they banned guns for most people. All gun had to be handed in, and they where mostly destroyed. You can still own a gun, but there are conditions and its controlled with licenses and inspections. A farmer with livestock, or a security person, etc, can have a gun, if you need it for your profession. If you are part of a gun club, you can also keep certain types of guns, but nothing designed for way, like a AK or any machine gun. Average Jo can not go and buy a gun. But we weren't a gun culture anyway, guns where not a big part of Ozy life and I only new one person who kept a shot gun ( to kill snakes ) who had to hand it in. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| windlight Guru  Joined: 03/03/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 331 |
electro Australia has very restrictive gun laws, they were tightened up after a person shot a few people in Tasmania with an automatic rifle and our then Prime minister, a Fabian Fabian socioty moved quickly to severely restrict ownership. This is in line with the Fabian society agenda. I see Glenn got in ahead of me so I edited it down some. Allan of the jungle "I like this place and willingly could waste my time in it" - (Act II, Scene IV). |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Wasn't it John Howard that banned guns? I didn't think he was part of the Fabian society. I can understand why from an USA point of view it must seam alien to have a government take guns off its citizens, but Australia is a very different country with differnet roots. While we do have a lot of internal arguing going on, we generally get along with eachother pretty good. There's very little violent crime, a murder makes national news here. We're too busy playing cricket and football to be nasty 
Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| windlight Guru Joined: 03/03/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 331 |
I agree we don't have a burning desire to own guns we have very little use for, but disarming the population and making them hungry are two of the Fabians goals to control the population, John Howard appears on many lists older list Allan "I like this place and willingly could waste my time in it" - (Act II, Scene IV). |
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vasi Guru Joined: 23/03/2007 Location: RomaniaPosts: 1697 |
The people from communist countries were disarmed from the beginning. Guess why. Vasi ------------------ Edit: Anyway, we can make crossbows. Hobbit name: Togo Toadfoot of Frogmorton Elvish name: Mablung Miriel Beyound Arduino Lang |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Hi All It is the criminalization of the population that gets up my nose, coming from a farming area culture myself, we viewed guns as another tool to be used in the farm as a pest eliminator of putting a sick animal out of its misery. We would have the rifle in the utility all the time even when we went to town and that was accepted as normal way of life, if you did that now you would have a swat team with red dots on your chest, this is due to the government promoted hysteria that helps them control the masses. I have all the appropriate licences as I am on a property but still get harassed by the police with their inspections and storage conditions that make the valid use of a rifle nearly impossible, when there is a pack of wild dogs up the back you need to have instant access, not this bullsh*t bits locked in different gun safes and bullets locked away somewhere else. The real criminals get caught occasionally but they have free access to guns of all sorts to use at will without the fear of their victim being able to defend themselves. Thank goodness they are mainly shooting one another in the drug wars, as on the gold coast. I believe that if the Mossad agent that carried out the Port Arthur shootings knew that he would have been confronted with a collection of armed citizens he would not have been so keen to be employed by the government to stir the gun issue up and bring about the situation we have now, it was like shooting fish in a barrel as they could only hide under a table. I have spent a lot of time in Nevada and found the crime rate there very low, as all citizens have a gun and are prepared to use it in defense of their home and property, yet you wouldn't find a nicer bunch of country people. The criminals are actively removed from the gene pool. Here in Australia you must call the cops and be put on hold and then wait for them to turn up if they do, maybe the next day to write a report or to go through you, to see what you had the crim's where trying to steal, and if you defend yourself the criminals have the right to sue you for malicious use of force, and the police charge you with assault with a deadly weapon, even if you only give them a poke with a screwdriver or a bash with a cricket bat, personally I use a short sword called a bolo as it gives you a choice of how much damage to inflict. The local sergeant of police once told me many years ago it is better to finish them off and get a piece of pipe in their hand, than trying to defend yourself in court against a live one backed by a parasite legal team from legal aid. Any of the big cities have their criminal laced areas and I would rather be in my shed with the brown snakes than be in those cities after dark. On the practical use of firearms my family survived the depression prior to the second world war by eating rabbits and kangaroos and other assorted wild animals, there was no social support and with a family of 13 to feed it was the only way to survive. The gun was a tool of survival as was a rabbit trap, which is now illegal too as the RSPCA says it hurts the rabbits, well that is true, but when you see what the Indonesians do to our live cow export beasts it is ridiculous. End of Rant Bob Foolin Around |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
I think Australia has a nice mix of government regulation in out daily lives and freedoms. I like the fact I have free schooling and free hospitals. I can be totaly broke and still get health care when I need it, or an education for my kids. I live in a society that is virtually crime free compared to 99% of the planet, and my government will take care of me when I retire, so I wont starve. If that means I loose some freedoms, like owning a gun, or having to wear a helmet when I ride a bike, or the other hundred laws we have that other countries dont have, then so be it. I think one problem with the people having too much freedon is they wont accept any changes the government want to implement for the good of the country. Take the USA for example, I'm not picking on our USA friends for any reason other than they are a good example, but they have some very old fassioned idea's that as a country is holding them back. When I was over there a few years ago I couldn't believe they still used the old paper money they have been using for decades. I mean it looks like it came out of a photocopier! And you try using a laundromate that only acceps coins! $20 in quarters is a joke! But talking to the people I meet, they dont want to change their currency cause its what they are used to. In Australia we now use plastic notes and $1 and $2 coins, and our currency is one of the hardest in the world to counterfiet. At first I hated the new coins, but now I wouldn't have them any other way, $1 and $2 bill were a pain. Same with the metric system. The rest of the planet adopted the metric system years ago, apart from the USA and Burma, because its a better system thats easier to understand and teach. Any USA exporting manufacturer has to use both metric and imperial, to be compeditive on the internation market, while still servicing the local market with the imperial system. Its just crazy, and a government with balls would have forced the country to adopt the metric system years ago, cause sticking with an outdated system will hold a country back and make it less compeditive internationally. Its just the people dont want to change, and in the USA the government is powerless to force change. Its just the way I see it. There are some laws I dont agree with, but there is no way in the world I would live anywhere else. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
The Carbon Cartoon a joke against the population, a new religion started by the various governments of the world wanting more money from the masses and the financial institutions wanting to trade another commodity that doesn't exist in their futures markets. The slogan "carbon pollution" is political propaganda resting on four big lies. Lie No 1: "Carbon dioxide is carbon". "Carbon dioxide" is a gas produced when any carbonaceous material is burnt in air or digested in the gut of any animal. Wood, grass, coal, oil, natural gas, ethanol, biomass and all foods produce carbon dioxide when consumed. "Carbon" is a solid that occurs naturally as a soft black mineral called "graphite", as beautiful hard diamonds or as charcoal or soot formed when carbonaceous matter is partially burnt. None of these forms of carbon are emitted from clean modern coal-burning power stations. Calling carbon dioxide "carbon" is like calling water "hydrogen". It is deceptive propaganda designed to "blacken" the image of this harmless invisible natural gas. Lie No 2: "Carbon dioxide is a pollutant." Carbon dioxide gets all the green ticks. It feeds all growing plants using solar energy. There would be no green plants without carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and the more of it, the greener the world. Carbon dioxide also dissolves in lakes and oceans and combines with calcium to form the skeletons of coral reefs, sea shells and vertebrates. Without carbon dioxide dissolving in the oceans, there would be no coral reefs. Carbon dioxide is the ultimate source of food for all life on earth - the gas of life. Without it, Earth would be a barren dead planet. Lie No 3: "Current levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are dangerously high." Carbon dioxide exists as a mere trace in our atmosphere. Current levels at about 390 parts per million are close to the lowest ever seen on earth. At this low level, plants cling to life and would cease to grow at about 150ppm. Most life probably evolved at 1,500 ppm and US submarines (and crowded nightclubs) operate safely at levels up to 8,000 ppm. We must expose these three big lies and replace them with the simple truth: carbon dioxide is a harmless natural gas, not a sooty pollutant, it is the basis of all life on earth and there is nothing dangerous or unusual about current levels in the atmosphere. Lie No 4 is the biggest lie of all – "A tax on carbon dioxide is needed to reduce pollution and cool the planet." Viv Forbes Foolin Around |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Water is pretty harmless too, until you drown in it. The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Good to mix in scotch too in its solid form. Bob Foolin Around |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
How to make money from Carbon Surprise surprise! Guess who's behind Julia's big push for a carbon tax, followed of course by "carbon trading," (trading in "carbon credits,)" then followed by "options" on carbon credits, followed by "futures" on carbon credits. Trading on something that doesn't exist, except for what the banksters created out of thin air in the first place, laughing at the stupid goyim behind their backs, all the way to their vaults. And so the usury by the banksters continues, as it has for 200 years, getting the country - and the world - more and more into their debt. When, oh when, will the stupid goyim wake up? Read the article below. Rothschild Australia and E3 International to take the lead in the global carbon trading market. Sydney, Australia - Rothschild Australia and E3 International are set to become key players in the international carbon credit trading market, an emerging commodity market that analysts estimate could be worth up to US$150 billion by 2012. In a move that will re-shape the fledgling emissions trading market, Rothschild Australia and E3 International today announced their intention to launch the Carbon Ring Consortium -- an investment vehicle that will provide companies in the Asia Pacific Region with an innovative way of learning about and understanding their risks in the new carbon market. The Carbon Ring Consortium is the first of its kind in the Asia-Pacific Region, and is the first in a series of private investment vehicles that Carbon Ring Pty Ltd will launch in coming years. Richard Martin, the chief executive officer of Rothschild Australia said, "With recent developments in international climate change policy, the question is no longer if, but when the global carbon trading market will emerge. Rothschild Australia, through Carbon Ring, intends to be at the forefront of this market, providing private investment vehicles to companies seeking to offset their greenhouse gas emissions liabilities." The Carbon Ring Consortium allows companies with a future carbon liability to purchase a range of carbon credits and obtain a practical insight into the operation of this new market. Carbon credits will be bought from domestic and international projects that achieve a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. These carbon credits will be distributed pro rata to Consortium investors. "The Carbon Ring Consortium is an important first step for Rothschild and for our clients," said Mr. Martin. "The Consortium should appeal to companies that are faced with a greenhouse liability and are significant users or producers of energy, such as electricity generators, heavy industrials, oil companies, major manufacturers or airlines, amongst many others. "It provides investors with an opportunity to learn about the market through an investment in a low risk, low cost investment vehicle, created specifically to acquire a diverse range of carbon credits. Participants will also share in significant knowledge and intellectual property," Mr. Martin said. During its life, the Carbon Ring Consortium intends to purchase a range of carbon credits, in a range of jurisdictions and from a range of sources. In the process, the Consortium will expose investors to many of the most pressing issues that corporations will have to address if they are to participate in the emerging carbon market. It will also give investors a practical insight into the buying and selling of carbon credits in the present market, without the need to invest in significant trading infrastructure or to assume undue risk. Mr. Martin believes that there are many reasons why an organisation would invest in the Consortium: gaining practical experience in an emerging market; offsetting their greenhouse gas emissions; hedging their investments in new infrastructure; or in response to the expectations of the public, customers or shareholders. Craig Windram, the director of E3 International and a partner in Carbon Ring, said, "A carbon liability brings with it considerable financial risk for organisations, and early planning to deal with this risk will add to an organisation's competitive advantage -- that's where Carbon Ring comes in. "Few companies have developed a practical understanding of the emerging carbon market. For companies on either side of the equation, as either buyers or sellers, the Carbon Ring Consortium will provide the opportunity to 'learn by doing'. This experience will be vital in assisting businesses to formulate policy, to understand and identify their risks, and to demonstrate leadership in an area of growing public concern," Mr. Windram said. The Carbon Ring Consortium is an unregistered, managed investment scheme. Designed to be a tailored, limited-life vehicle, it will document the legal and accounting process involved in the purchase, settlement and distribution of various carbon credit assets. Requiring an investment of US$100,000, with a portion returned to investors in the form of carbon credits, the Consortium is intended to provide investors with a low cost, low risk and structured entry into this new market. About Rothschild N M Rothschild & Sons has been at the centre of the world's financial markets for more 200 years. Today, the firm is a global investment bank, which provides independent and quality advice to governments, corporations and individuals worldwide through a network of professionals in 40 offices across more than 30 countries. The firm employs 2,500 employees worldwide. About E3 The E3 Group is a hybrid organisation dedicated to making the business case for sustainable development. It is part strategic management consultancy, part environmental think tank, part project developer and part investment manager. The E3 Group comprises a number of companies that have developed around the business of sustainability. The Group includes a conventional consulting business, an environmental software company, a dedicated renewable energy project promoter and the Carbon Ring Consortium. The principal operating company in the group is E3 International Pty Limited, which is headquartered in Australia. Distributed by PR Newswire on behalf of N M Rothschild and Sons Foolin Around |
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| electrondady1 Senior Member  Joined: 12/02/2009 Location: CanadaPosts: 208 |
we had a similar incident here in Canada. a nut bar killed a bunch of women at a university 'cause he couldn't get a spot to study engineering. as a result, we got gun registration for every one and an amnesty to turn in guns. but it's become a political football over the last decade. and tremendously expensive to administrate. i often think it might be cheaper to promote mental health. criminals still have access to hand guns. they get smuggled across the boarder from the states. they fall into the hands of young men in gangs and often innocent people pay the price. hand guns have never been a part of Canadian culture. but rifles and shotguns have always been part of rural life. (bears are big and difficult to reason with) i really don't trust my government, they have their agenda, i have mine. but being located next to the states and there gun culture is reason enough to have some firepower in case things get rough . in regards to carbon trading,if the Rothschild dynasty is for it. I'm against it. |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
TAKE NOTE AS THIS IS HOW IT ALL WORKS!!! World Economics 2011 July 13, 2011 Mary is the proprietor of a bar in Dublin. She realises that virtually all of her customers are unemployed alcoholics and, as such, can no longer afford to patronise her bar. To solve this problem, she comes up with new marketing plan that allows her customers to drink now, but pay later. She keeps track of the drinks consumed on a ledger (thereby granting the customers loans). Word gets around about Mary’s “drink now, pay later” marketing strategy and, as a result, increasing numbers of customers flood into Mary’s bar. Soon she has the largest sales volume for any bar in Dublin. By providing her customers’ freedom from immediate payment demands, Mary gets no resistance when, at regular intervals, she substantially increases her prices for wine and beer, the most consumed beverages. Consequently, Mary’s gross sales volume increases massively. A young and dynamic vice-president at the local bank recognises that these customer debts constitute valuable future assets and increases Mary’s borrowing limit. He sees no reason for any undue concern, since he has the debts of the unemployed alcoholics as collateral. At the bank’s corporate headquarters, expert traders figure a way to make huge commissions, and transform these customer loans into Drinkbonds and Alkibonds. These securities are then bundled and traded on international security markets. Naïve investors don’t really understand that the securities being sold to them as ‘AAA’ secured bonds are really the debts of unemployed alcoholics. Nevertheless, the bond prices continuously climb, and the securities soon become the hottest-selling items for some of the nation’s leading brokerage houses. One day, even though the bond prices are still climbing, a risk manager at the original local bank decides that the time has come to demand payment on the debts incurred by the drinkers at Mary’s bar. He so informs Mary. Mary then demands payment from her alcoholic patrons, but being unemployed alcoholics they cannot pay back their drinking debts. Since Mary cannot fulfil her loan obligations she is forced into bankruptcy. The bar closes and the eleven employees lose their jobs. Overnight, Drinkbonds and Alkibonds drop in price by 90%. The collapsed bond asset value destroys the bank’s liquidity and prevents it from issuing new loans, thus freezing credit and economic activity in the community. The suppliers of Mary’s bar had granted her generous payment extensions and had invested their firms’ pension funds in the various Bond securities. They find they are now faced with having to write-off her bad debt and with losing over 90% of the presumed value of the bonds. Her wine supplier also claims bankruptcy, closing the doors on a family business that had endured for three generations, her beer supplier is taken over by a competitor, who immediately closes the local plant and lays off 150 workers. Fortunately though, the bank, the brokerage houses and their respective executives are saved and bailed out by a multi-billion euro no-strings-attached cash infusion from their cronies in government. The funds required for this bailout are obtained by new taxes levied on employed, middle-class, non-drinkers who have never been in Mary’s bar. Now, do you understand economics in 2011?” Foolin Around |
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| electrondady1 Senior Member Joined: 12/02/2009 Location: CanadaPosts: 208 |
that's not far from the truth. |
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| windlight Guru Joined: 03/03/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 331 |
Bob you should be illegal! "I like this place and willingly could waste my time in it" - (Act II, Scene IV). |
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| vasi Guru Joined: 23/03/2007 Location: RomaniaPosts: 1697 |
 Hobbit name: Togo Toadfoot of Frogmorton Elvish name: Mablung Miriel Beyound Arduino Lang |
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Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
Hi Bob A contribution to your Thread. In My Country we have , Written as Law , the right to speak freely. But it does not include protection from the wrath of those you offend. So we are free to spout off while being careful what we say. Bob has outlined the Agenda of the US.Republican party, They Call themselves Conservative? In no way will they allow a nickel to escape from their control. If a Scheme can be invented to drag in the income from people on the job it is they who will foster it. Their conservatism is storing everyone's labor in Cash form to their own bank account. The Republican Party is the Big Business Party here in the US. The Banks, Insurance, Energy in all its forms, Automobiles, Shipping, Import /Export, Railroads Airlines, Aircraft manufacture commercial/Military, Farming, and the Newspaper/Tv media. Some will say , without them look what would be missing! What would be missing is the Payoffs, The subsidies, the Bail outs. The write offs the loopholes. The pork barrel is a lever to gain a small asset, (Dem's and Rep's Both use it, A bribe for my vote) Maybe a bridge across a river in their home town, -added to a bill to provide millions of $'s to a foreign aid program or other scheme such as, to subsidize a search for oil by a world wide producer where Possibly the money is used in a foreign country by a US Corp. acting as contractor. Labor at minimum wage and the cheapest materials to build equipment or support the activity and then sell to our Enemy at 80% profit for the Elephant in our midst. Bill Clinton Came to office ( His personal Moral conduct was a big issue with Women and Men to some extent ) But! (no pun) He proved quickly to the US. That a Country at work solves the economic problem. Before becoming president Clinton was Govener of the State of Arkansas. He took the Job when the State was having financial problems and very high unemployment . Rather than Penny pinching to tide over the rough times Bill spent lots of money on small business. Poultry, Dairy, Produce, Cotton, and helped to find a market for it by under cutting the going rate. It was soon to happen, Employment grew People started buying, Taxes flowed in, the State deficit become a surplus, The surplus was used to fix up the neglected roads and parks. This provided more jobs and more Taxes flowed in. To cut this rambling, As president he made it Happen again. High unemployment High war Debt.(Iraq- Kuwait) after 2 terms a surplus of 3 T$s George Bush Spent the Surplus and Trillions more While in Office. One of the many Smart Things he did was to hire a private Company to Haul the bombs and Petrol around the battlefield, Our Military was there as observers only. So we pay Halaburton<sp. and the Military To destroy a country who had a leader that knew how to govern his people. he controlled violence by atrition.- Not to my liking but it was effective. Their economy was decent, standard of living not to bad. " Shock and Awe",, How to Gut a City. Now no one knows how many years it will take to achieve a peaceful enviornment. The US government may soon default whether or not the National debt limit is increased. Its been said it takes money to make money. The RP doesn't seem to get it when it comes to National economics. If you bank all the money no one has any to buy your company products. so now you must lay off the work force, the work force cannot afford Gasoline / Petrol from your refineries, " The domino ". The Economy "IS" the worker, There are lots of us. we need lots of things, money lets us buy them, when the business man pays a fair wage it will return in the form of sales. Tax on sales and Income keep the government healthy, We Now have a President, A Good One. The color of his skin His Background his family seem to cast a negative image of whom (I believe)to be a decent Human being with compassion for the Down and out, His friends and family grew up in the poverty area of Chicago If anyone has seen the needs of working people He was there and done that. The bottom line for the rich is not the force that drives him. Some people around the world think He's a Terrorist and an opportunist with a motive to butcher the whole world. This picture is promoted Night and Day by the RP. They have people standing around the local post office passing out leaflets that warn of of his intended evils. My take is, He just don't take the Garbage standard Cra* 'p That has become business as usual in the houses of Government. They Don't like it, But I do. When the RP screams about Taxes they Omit the $200,000 and above yearly income group that it effects, Surely a lot of these people will die of starvation! Hoarding the penneys will let your Vault rust because there is no one with the tools to fix your leaking Roof. There is reason to be liberal, pass it around, it is a circle and it will come back. Done. 
BTW, I'm waiting to see what happens when you put the blades on the LG. 
--------Cheers, Roe Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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| VK4AYQ Guru Joined: 02/12/2009 Location: AustraliaPosts: 2539 |
Hi Roe Stationary money is no good to anybody so saving and hording is a negative, money is meant to circulate, the faster and smoother the better with a small clip of the edge to support government, not the small chip off the side to support the people and all the rest for the parasite government as it is now. All the best Bob The Sick Eagle Foolin Around |
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| electrondady1 Senior Member Joined: 12/02/2009 Location: CanadaPosts: 208 |
greenbelt, it's such a relief to me to see an American speak out like this. i think you are seeing things very clearly. as your northern neighbour it has been very frustrating to see your nation twisted out of shape by the so called "elite". |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5116 |
Yeah I agree, well said Roe. As an non American, I liked Clinton and I think Obama is doing the best he can in a dark time in America's economic history. You can sense true compassion in them. People are too quick to blame the government of the time for the problems of the country. What they should be doing is having a look at themselves and their unrealistic expectations. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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