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cletus3x

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Posted: 07:33pm 07 Aug 2020

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Hi Shed crew,

I am a N00b but had a few questions about the PLAY command and the FM output.

So I really love how the CMM2 can output FLAC, MP3, MOD and WAV files right out of the box. As soon as I unboxed mine from Circuit Gizmo's I threw some MOD's on a time-warped right back to the early 90's.

I have read the user manual and the programming manual and there did not seem to be a lot of detail on playing of these files and I was hoping the forum here could help me out with the following:

- Some of the MOD files I try and play seem to lockup the CMM2, it does appear to be larger files. Is there a way to enable debug output and see what is going on?

- The programming manual notes: "The PLAY command can also be instructed to play all files in a directory back-to-back and only signal an interrupt when the last file has completed playing. " - I could not find and example how does one do this?

- How is the built-in player handling DAC output? I noticed the DAC in the processor is 2 x 12 bit, is this running a dac for each channel? What is the output? What is the highest quality the CMM2 can play?

- Are we able to connect a I2S dac up to the unit like a Raspberry pi? I see the processor does have I2S in the data sheet.

I wanted to look at trying to build a more full featured player for files as I thought it would be very cool.

Thanks,

-George

CMM2 Demos:
Kit Cat Clock
BCD Clock Video

TweakerRay

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Posted: 07:46pm 07 Aug 2020

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Hi ! I also find the documentation for sound very lacking... I thought it would be much easier to programm sound on this machine or that it has a few channels which you can use... right now I have found out that you can't play mp3 files while the speak synth command is running...
so the soundoptions to work with this machine are very limited... which I find very strange since I already saw a youtubevideo with a player which played chiptune...
I don't know if that was made differently but I would love to know
how you can a) use channels and how to do something like that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ3vrV61PuY

That is emulating a NES Soundchip...

http://tweakerray.bandcamp.com

cletus3x

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Posted: 08:16pm 07 Aug 2020

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TweakerRay,

Thanks for the link! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought sound documentation was lacking.

Mauro is a wizard! I did see some of his demo's before. Awesome we can get his code off GitHub.

-George

CMM2 Demos:
Kit Cat Clock
BCD Clock Video

matherp
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Posted: 07:48am 08 Aug 2020

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Quote - The programming manual notes: "The PLAY command can also be instructed to play all files in a directory back-to-back and only signal an interrupt when the last file has completed playing. " - I could not find and example how does one do this?

Manual page 76

Quote If fname$ is a directory then the firmware will list all the files of the relevant type in that directory and start playing them one-by-one. To play files in the current directory use an empty string (ie, ""). Each file listed will play in turn and the optional interrupt will fire when all files have been played. The filenames are stored with full path so you can use CHDIR while tracks are playing without causing problems.
All files in the directory are listed if the command is executed at the command prompt but the listing is suppressed in a program

Quote How is the built-in player handling DAC output? I noticed the DAC in the processor is 2 x 12 bit, is this running a dac for each channel? What is the output? What is the highest quality the CMM2 can play?

One 12-bit DAC per channel each giving an output of 0-3.3V centred at 1.65V (c 1V RMS)

From the manual

Quote For WAV files MMBasic will automatically compensate for the frequency, number of bits and number of channels of the WAV file.
For FLAC files the supported frequencies are:
44100Hz 16-bit(CD quality) and 24-bit
48000Hz 16-bit and 24-bit
88200Hz 16-bit and 24-bit
96000Hz 24-bit
Maximums for FLAC and WAV file playback are 96KHz 24-bit. Both will auto-configure to the file provided. As an indication, 96KHz 24-bit FLAC uses just over 50% of the CPU's resources.

Quote Are we able to connect a I2S dac up to the unit like a Raspberry pi?

No: not supported by the firmware

Quote Some of the MOD files I try and play seem to lockup the CMM2, it does appear to be larger files. Is there a way to enable debug output and see what is going on?

The firmware uses an open-source mod file codec which seems pretty robust but may not cater for all variants. It has been tested using a 284Kbyte mod file which works fine. You will have to test mod files for compatibility before use in a program

capsikin
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Posted: 12:55am 09 Aug 2020

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TweakerRay said Hi ! I also find the documentation for sound very lacking... I thought it would be much easier to programm sound on this machine or that it has a few channels which you can use... right now I have found out that you can't play mp3 files while the speak synth command is running...
so the soundoptions to work with this machine are very limited... which I find very strange since I already saw a youtubevideo with a player which played chiptune...
I don't know if that was made differently but I would love to know
how you can a) use channels and how to do something like that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ3vrV61PuY

That is emulating a NES Soundchip...

The manual calls it "soundno" instead of channel but it's the same thing (except it uses "channel" for left vs right channel)

(message update: it's only in the PLAY SOUND command, not PLAY TTS, PLAY MP3, or any others)

Example:

print "start hum"
play sound 1,B,q,100

pause 500

print "zap sound, smooth"
print "playing as sound number 2 while sound number 1 continues"
for k=1 to 2
�' multiples of 50 cycles per second
�for n=800 to 100 step -50
� �play sound 2,B,q,n
� �' 20ms is a 50th of a second
� �pause 20
�next n
next

play sound 2,B,O,300
pause 500
play sound 1,B,O,300

end

Edited 2020-08-09 11:05 by capsikin

berighteous
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Posted: 05:47pm 10 Aug 2020

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I have short 6 second wav files that I need to loop during the menus of my game. How do I do that? can someone show me a code snippet to load a wav and keep it looping until I choose to quit it? Here's the wav:
OZ4.zip

matherp
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Posted: 05:52pm 10 Aug 2020

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Two ways:

Play it with an interrupt routine specified and play it again in the interrupt. Use PLAY STOP when you have had enough

Use the code I posted in another thread to load it into an array and use the DAC command to play it in the background - you will have to search for the thread.

cletus3x

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Posted: 02:47pm 12 Aug 2020

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matherp said - The programming manual notes: "The PLAY command can also be instructed to play all files in a directory back-to-back and only signal an interrupt when the last file has completed playing. " - I could not find and example how does one do this?

Manual page 76

matherp, I apologize I missed this on page 76 �

Duh, have to use empty string ""

Any idea on how the DAC is handling 16 bit sources at only 12 bits?

Anyway to debug output?

Thanks,
Edited 2020-08-13 00:48 by cletus3x

CMM2 Demos:
Kit Cat Clock
BCD Clock Video

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