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Geoffg

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Another beta version of the Micromite firmware (beta 19) for anyone who would like to experiment:
http://geoffg.net/Downloads/Micromite/Micromite_V5.04.09_Beta.zip

This fixes the USB/I2C issue reported in another thread plus the SELECT CASE issue when using a negative constant. It also includes the other changes introduced in previous betas. For example, the fix for issues with corrupted 5" displays, the ability to use display drivers written in BASIC, STATIC variables, etc.

If no more issues are discovered over the next few weeks I will turn this into a final release.

Geoff Edited by Geoffg 2018-04-29

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thanks very much geoff, the new beta passed the usual quick tests i run

am not sure if i have suggested this before, but...

there are a few redundant and duplicate keywords in mmbasic, which could quite easily be eliminated through making on-the-fly substitutions in the editor's 'save' function. for example, we have TEMPR and DS18B20. it seems that the editor, when saving to flash, could save these as the same token, with the only loss being that when loaded back into the editor only one (or other) of the strings would be reinstated. ie, DS18B20 would be changed to TEMPR.

off the top of my head, there is:
DS18B20 superceeded by TEMPR
TRON superceeded by TRACE ON (2 tokens)
TROFF superceeded by TRACE OFF (2 tokens)
SPC superceeded by SPACE$

and of course the abomination of:
COLOR that our american friends use instead of COLOUR
(OPTION BADSPELLING ON|OFF could be added to compensate if there were too many protests)

the (small) reduction in size of the token table and speed increase would likely balance out against the added code in the editor to do the substitutions. plus a few extra tokens would be freed up that may allow some savings in flash elsewhere.

just an idea...

cheers,
rob :-)
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Bloody excellent.
Thanks Rob

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Posted: 08:08am 28 Apr 2018

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Hi Geoff
Thanks, now I will try I2C/USB...

Edited: after hours of running the problem, NO problem found

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Thank you GEOFF!!

Thanks
AntonioEdited by sagt3k 2018-04-30

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Quote off the top of my head, there is:
DS18B20 superceeded by TEMPR
TRON superceeded by TRACE ON (2 tokens)
TROFF superceeded by TRACE OFF (2 tokens)
SPC superceeded by SPACE$

I agree that these should be removed from the language.

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and of course the abomination of:
COLOR that our american friends use instead of COLOUR

I strongly disagree with this. If the mites are used in education, then they should be correctly localized.

Perhaps allow the recompilation for American English?

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Posted: 07:26pm 28 Apr 2018

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A computer language is never localized. That would be absurd.
What's next. A Polish localized version, so you have "KOLOR".
The manual will tell what the right spelling for the keyword that you want to use is.
Anything else is a syntax error.

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Posted: 07:47pm 28 Apr 2018

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robert.rozee said and of course the abomination of:
COLOR that our american friends use instead of COLOUR
(OPTION BADSPELLING ON|OFF could be added to compensate if there were too many protests)

just an idea...

cheers,
rob :-)

Hmmpppf! Just because youse guys are upside down you want all of us to stand on our heads! The question is will BADSPELLING ON equate to driving on the right side of the road or the wrong side?

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Although I'm from the UK and spell it "Colour" I've always been used to spelling it "Color" when programming computers.
It seems most BASICs I've used always use the US way of spelling it.

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Evening all,

Quote correctly localized

in the spirit of the thread don't you mean "localised"?

Cheers, Andrew

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You will have to stop using ASCII and use BSCII instead..
lets see now.. logarithms maybe..

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Ill use what ever the spelling the user manual has. It's still alot
easier using MMBasic than some of of the other languages for writing code.

Remember all the different early micro's assembly language mnemonics and how

mov a,b means moving the content of b (source) to a (destination)
but you did not move it. it was copied.

ld a,b means load content of b to a

Yea the Z80 was fun with the index regs. not to hard to under stand.

but the 68K WOW that took time and even then I had to look up things
all the time.

I very happy to not work at the lowest level of coding any more.

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Posted: 11:14pm 29 Apr 2018

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Hi All,

Quazee137 said
Yea the Z80 was fun with the index regs. not to hard to under stand.

I remember the Z80.. Don and I had many a night playing with them..

Here is an early Prototype Z80

Regards,

Mick

PS. Happy Birthday Don

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Mick's uMite Stuff can be found >>> HERE (Kindly hosted by Dontronics) <<<

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LOL!!!

On spelling etc, Atari BASIC that I first learnt used COLOR - that did not bother me at the time. We knew it was 'Wrong spelling' from our point of view, but we also knew it was the correct spelling for USA, and the Atari was an American product.

By the same token, as we spell it COLOUR, our American friends should return the favour.

You guys are used to deleting the odd letter here and there....

[Quote=Eddie Izzard]
You say 'Erbs' and we say 'HERBS' because there's a

-ing H in it.
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Posted: 04:29am 30 Apr 2018

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Who was it (Oscar Wilde ?) who said speaking of the US and England:
"We are two countries separated by a common language".
This is great fun. I don't care, Geoff - your choice. Pick one and use it !!

Lou

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Posted: 05:59am 30 Apr 2018

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LOL...

G.B. Shaw wrote �England and America are two countries separated by the same language.� but sources vary a bit.

All this reminds me of the open letter to America that John Cleese wrote (as a piece of humoUr chaps!) in the debacle that followed the Bush/Gore election... it is still worth a read and touches on pronunciation quite a bit... but hate to tell you, "Aluminum" is arguably correct as it was the final version of it's name published by its discoverer, being "corrected" by editors four years later to bring it in line with other "Iums" (sodium, cadmium etc...)

Personally, I don't give a wet slap - it's just some words to learn.

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Word Origin and History for aluminum
n.
1812, coined by English chemist Sir Humphry Davy (1778-1829), from alumina, name given 18c. to aluminum oxide, from Latin alumen "alum" (see alum ). Davy originally called it alumium (1808), then amended this to aluminum, which remains the U.S. word, but British editors in 1812 further amended it to aluminium, the modern preferred British form, to better harmonize with other metallic element names ( sodium, potassium, etc.).

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Lou

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CaptainBoing,

Quote G.B. Shaw wrote �England and America are two countries separated by the same language.� but sources vary a bit.

I have even heard that quote attributed to Churchill but I know that's not right.

On aluminum I know the pronunciation is radically different between countries.

EDIT: I just read your Revocation of Indepence, that's funny

LouEdited by Lou 2018-05-02

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Well, I'm glad someone finally noticed that my perfunctorily feeble attempt at a reboot of the persistently perennial perambulation through the contrastingly divergent individuation of English usage resulting from the ill-considered and unfortunate attempt by an English monarch to tax British citizens who had been disenfranchised by his own actions and had therefore decided to brew his tea with salt water had been unanswered for two days! I was beginning to think that youse guys had decided to nod off or go off on a holiday.

I absolutely love John Cleese! The single thing he said that I feel I should quarrel with was his statement that "Generally, you should raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels". I judge that youse guys will shortly conclude that my pronounced proclivity or propensity to perambulate through a polysyllabic vocabulary is more confusing than the difference between color and colour could ever be.

All of which completely ignores the fact that my original question, "will BADSPELLING ON equate to driving on the right side of the road or the wrong side?" remains unanswered!

I ask all of youse guys to remember that Italians make you offers you can't refuse, but that Polacks make you offers you can't understand!

Pavel Artur Jan Waclaw Lepkowski in NYEdited by Paul_L 2018-05-02

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Posted: 10:02pm 30 Apr 2018

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Grogster said By the same token, as we spell it COLOUR, our American friends should return the favour.

Keep COLOUR as COLOUR, One small step against the struggle against Political Correctness.

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I trust that everyone knows that you can use either COLOUR or COLOR.
MMBasic tries to avoid any controversy

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