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Poppy Guru  Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
I agree! But this is exclusive to mobiles and I guess that in later times programming and electronics will just be speaking out orders and some A.I. will do the rest. OK, this will still take some time, but if we take a look at the changes during the last 5 to 10 years then of course You are right with Your claim for mobile standard. And of course a good consideration for further steps. I generally think it should all be slowed down and turned a little backwards, not too much but enough to show the path of development. So, not just seeing that it works, not rather than understanding how it works. The people I think of would be interested if they did not feel to be forced to shut down their brains being overcharged by all that rapid development. Those who might say: "Wow, very exciting and interesting but just a black box to me!", getting it not as easy as the two of us do. I am also including some sociological aspects as well, not exclusively technological ones.  Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
hitsware2 Guru Joined: 03/08/2019 Location: United StatesPosts: 705 |
A version for everything ! my site |
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| Tinine Guru Joined: 30/03/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 1646 |
Someone please tell me: Everyone carries a hugely powerful HMI in their pocket. Why would you want a proprietary touchscreen/display? It's totally ludicrous today. Mobile devices can do anything. Period. Think about it. |
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| robert.rozee Guru Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 2289 |
assuming you are talking about a cellphone, they can do a great many things poorly. a cellphone makes for a poor ebook reader as the screen is too small; they make for a poor in-car gps/navigation system due to battery consumption and a UI that is far from optimal for use while driving; they are completely useless for taking notes and are barely usable for writing anything but the most basic emails; their audio reproduction is abysmal wrt music unless you want to use headphones; the touch-screen interface makes use as a calculator tedious for anything but a few simple calculations; their constructions is fragile - they break easily if dropped or bent, are easily damaged by water or moisture, are often hidesously expensive to replace. and to top top it off, since they have the ergonomics of a plank of wood, they have poor usability as a telephone! essentially, these mobile devices can perform an enormous number of different tasks poorly. cheers, rob :-) |
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| Tinine Guru Joined: 30/03/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 1646 |
Rob, with total respect to yourself, this is the ignorance that I attempt to address. Let's say that you are the owner of a manufacturing company. You have a piece of process equipment that, if it dies, you have a bunch of hourly employees stood around because they have no parts to further process. Industry is full of dead machinery due to a failed user-interface...beit a display, touch-screen, keypad, etc. User interfaces are subject to abuse. So what are you gonna do? In my case, I grab a tablet or a phone, download the app, pair the Bluetooth and resume making parts. I visited John Deere, recently and they had a mega buck piece of equipment that was less than a year old. It looked like hell because it had a PC keyboard and monitor hanging out of the front of the control...They were waiting for the $17,000 replacement Siemens screen to arrive. So if your own income was based on parts produced by a piece of process machinery, you would prefer to wait for a replacement, proprietary user interface? I'm guessing no. |
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| Poppy Guru Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
Guys, you are spoiling the thread, just open a new one for mobiles. Coming back to topic: Mobiles art just one direction and RFO BASIC appears to be a quite good beginning concerning this particular issue. I am still searching for something desktop-style! Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
| robert.rozee Guru Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 2289 |
what you are after is perhaps a bit like this?  the above (as can be seen) is mixed text and graphics displayed by GFXterm in what at first glance appears to be a console window, with the basic code running on an MX170 (MM2) attached via a serial port. however, GFXterm originated as a wrapper for MMbasic for DOS that took a turn in a different direction during development; in principal it could be adapted back to work as a wrapper for MMbasic for DOS, although this would require the two programs to work cooperatively via an API. GFXterm implements the following graphic primatives: clear, ink, line, plot, arc, fill, moveto, drawto, scroll. graphics are drawn on a 'glass panel' that sits above the text and operates completely independently. while it looks like a console window, it is something far more convoluted and repugnant. cheers, rob :-) |
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| Poppy Guru Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
Very interesting, I didn´t know before and will test for myself. Thanks for showing! Something different, but BASIC: Just found this a-maze-ing book: "10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10" http://nickm.com/trope_tank/10_PRINT_121114.pdf Damn, these guys have a long breath hyping a single line!  Edited 2019-08-21 18:36 by Poppy Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
| Poppy Guru Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
Hi folks, I have been looking around and checking up all being obvious to me and still: IF MMBASIC-DOS was ... it would be best ... but unfortunately it isn´t (yet)!  So far I think for getting into modern BASIC FreeBASIC is my best choice to recommend, starting up classically PC-BASIC is. The phenomenon around BASIC itself somehow is that it always depends on the individual project but actually it is all the same with any other programming language, e.g. MMBASIC for PIC32 rather than C, but C for Arduino´s. The language always is generally determined by the task and how to get it done the best way. "BASIC" just does not follow any strict standard (probably excepting some cores) but therefore it provides individual opportunities within its different "dialects"! https://freebasic.net/ http://robhagemans.github.io/pcbasic/ Please still feel free to give me more constructive input but as yet thanks for all the great support!  Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
| Poppy Guru Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
Just found some new (to me) BASIC: http://www.logicbasic.net/ Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
| Poppy Guru Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
Readings about "original" BASIC Programming: 1st. Ed.: https://archive.org/details/basicprogramming00keme 3rd. Ed.: https://archive.org/details/basicprogramming0000keme Just register for free and "borrow" ... Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
CircuitGizmos Guru Joined: 08/09/2011 Location: United StatesPosts: 1421 |
http://www.robotbasic.org/ Micromites and Maximites! - Beginning Maximite |
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| Poppy Guru Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
Thanks! Though being commercial this appears to be a quite interesting issue reminding me of some Robot/Turtle-Thing (called "Niki") I used to know for beginning Turbo Pascal some decades ago. Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
kiiid Guru Joined: 11/05/2013 Location: United KingdomPosts: 671 |
Released a new update of http://rittle.org Now, with the line closing ' ; ' characters made just optional, programs look very much like Basic while still retaining the extended functionality of Rittle Still lots of work left on the hardware side to include more drivers but the minimum set is already there http://rittle.org -------------- |
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| CircuitGizmos Guru Joined: 08/09/2011 Location: United StatesPosts: 1421 |
Although aimed at robot stuff, this basic can build Win apps. I've used it for quite a few things, including a lot of test programs. Edited 2019-09-19 00:41 by CircuitGizmos Micromites and Maximites! - Beginning Maximite |
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| Poppy Guru Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
Just For Fun!  "Play BASIC Computer Games in Your Browser" http://www.researchscape.com/user/jhenning/play-basic-computer-games-in-your-browser Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
| HankR Senior Member  Joined: 02/01/2015 Location: United StatesPosts: 209 |
I think this is exactly what you're looking for. Qbasic interpreter and several other old style basics and even Visual basic for DOS! Qbasic It's needs the VMware emulator and so far, even watching several youtubes purporting to explain the installation of MSDOS6.22, I haven't got the 6.22 file set on the webpage to "install" MSDOS on the virtual machine. Often the videos mention obtaining an iso image file of 6.22 (which isn't on the above webpage), but I found one webpage that said installing an iso image is not necessary with VMware, but with no further instructions. I'm hoping someone who is better versed in these installations, ideally with direct VMware experience, will be able to explain the process step-by-step. It's the usual thing where one has to get the many-step sequence exactly right or no dice. Hank edit:redid hot link Edited 2019-10-21 18:58 by HankR |
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| Poppy Guru Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
Thanks for your support. But I actually know this way and it does not match my needs because of this emulation issue. In this case the easier way would be: https://www.portal.qb64.org/ But keep on!  Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
Cyber Senior Member Joined: 13/01/2019 Location: UkrainePosts: 161 |
Wow! This look very nice! Didn't know such existed. Did it solve all your needs? Or were there some drawbacks? Edited 2019-10-22 16:38 by Cyber |
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| Poppy Guru Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
Now getting older myself and therefore fading sight FreeBASIC is easier for having different GUIs and QB64 with its preset parameters is not that comfortable for me. But for the needs I am looking for (being different from my own) a program for just turning on and starting typing something like QB64 would be easier. The Environment of PCBASIC supporting QuickBASIC would be perfect just looking for a classical standard but with modern capabilities. Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
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