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Turbo46 Guru  Joined: 24/12/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1593 |
I said I'm out but... INCLUDE is good but not contentious like FILES and LIST FILES. CHAIN is gone too but but may not be missed? Sorry Peter, you're the boss, but I'm with Tom and CaptainBoing. The "FILES" command in BASIC means "list the files on the current directory" (or where-ever it's pointed to) - not "run the file manager". It's just a small (but annoying) point but it doesn't diminish my gratitude to you and the team for developing the CMM2. Thank you. I can't wait to get one. Bill Keep safe. Live long and prosper. |
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thwill Guru Joined: 16/09/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 3840 |
Hi Peter, Agreed, hence my proposal for the * prefix to enable this functionality - I'm starting to sound like a broken record. I won't deny it makes a certain sense. I still think it is annoying  That's a disingenuous question. In what way (ignoring the change in the command) did adding this additional functionality make it not backward compatible? I would be happy with that (or CAT), but I can understand how others would not. In any case I've somewhat moved beyond this, hopefully the firmware source will eventually become available (and not depend on some expensive bespoke toolchain) and if I still want to rename a command then I will be able to, provided I don't distribute code depending on that new name. Now who is taking the thread off topic It's wonderful, though its introduction and the lack of LOAD LIBRARY means I will need to write a preprocessor to convert my CMM2 ZMachine back to CMM "Classic". I can live with that. I have a couple of questions about it though: 1. What happens if I #INCLUDE a file twice? I guess I could test, but I'm not in my shed at the moment. 2. Is there any facility for conditional inclusion, and was it considered? One of the things I did on the CMM "Classic" was load different libraries depending on whether I had set a global DEBUG variable or not. Again not a biggy, I can write a preprocessor if I need to. Best wishes, Tom Game*Mite, CMM2 Welcome Tape, Creaky old text adventures |
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| matherp Guru Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8579 |
It will include twice and then give duplicate name error for duplicated functions. Not worth building a dictionary to cater for this as the error is benign Not at them moment but an interesting idea for the future |
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| thwill Guru Joined: 16/09/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 3840 |
Thanks, that's what I expected. I suspect conditional #INCLUDE based on a BASIC variable may be be very difficult given the fancy preprocessor things you are doing, presumably before the BASIC interpreter is running on the code. Game*Mite, CMM2 Welcome Tape, Creaky old text adventures |
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CaptainBoing Guru Joined: 07/09/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 1985 |
! how nice. *** massive thread drift warning *** But there isn't and you can't - That is exactly my point! And I seriously doubt your abilities to write MMBasic to that level either (though I am sure you'll try, forgive me for not breathlessly anticipating your rebuttal). And of course that example came from WP, that competition is where I went first click. It celebrates unintelligible source... Consider Python, it is strongly formatted to prevent exactly this garbage and yet it is the number one most-used language on the planet. This is genuinely my last post on the subject, your need to dissect everything and try to win is exhausting - in the way a hyper-active child with a plastic trumpet on a trans-atlantic flight is. I am wondering if you are a sock-puppet for another (ex)poster. |
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| thwill Guru Joined: 16/09/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 3840 |
Since you've descended to that level you can consider the bozo bit to have been well and truly flipped. And I'm out too. Love & Kisses xxx Game*Mite, CMM2 Welcome Tape, Creaky old text adventures |
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| thwill Guru Joined: 16/09/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 3840 |
OK, sorry, not out: In my world "Grognard" is a term of endearment and respect for the "elder statesmen", no offence meant. And I'm really out. Best regards, Tom Edited 2020-05-22 23:19 by thwill Game*Mite, CMM2 Welcome Tape, Creaky old text adventures |
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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9061 |
....and none was taken.  I understood and took it for what I thought it to mean at the time - a dig at the apparent inflexibility you perceive me to have. Please do allow me to clarify: It's NOT that I or anyone else involved in the development are unopen to suggestions, it is simply that we are trying to avoid the design-by-committee disaster. Once you start trying to implement this and that from various other members, it becomes such a mess trying to accommodate everyone, and it turns into a massive headache and the project can stall before it even has its first release. Perhaps I should have worded it better, along the lines of "For THIS release, the concept and design is fixed." In other words, in order to get the thing released officially and in to the hands of users, new feature requests are kinda off the table - for now. Bug-fixes and tweaks to the existing concept only - for now. This is not to say that suggestions made by members can't or won't EVER be implemented, is it just so we can keep control of the workload with respect to the initial release. I apologise to any member who thought my comments came off as snobbery or inflexibility, that really was not my intention, more just about not wanting to try to add new features etc at this late stage of things. BUT, moving forward, there could be a CMM2+ kind of design, which could indeed incorporate some of the suggestions - that is really up to Peter, as he is the lead developer. I just wanted to be forceful with respect to not allowing this to descend into that much despised design-by-committee nightmare, as I HAVE been there before, and it really is bashing your head against a brick wall kind of feeling.  Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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panky Guru Joined: 02/10/2012 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1094 |
Good thread folks - I totally agree with Poppy as to the quality of this forum - polite and constructive is very definately the way to go. Don't forget, written communication only represents a small portion of the process of getting one persons thoughts/ideas to another and this is made even worse if there is a second language involved! So, you should assume that a post was meant to be polite/constructive/helpful/thoughtful/inquisitive until confirmed otherwise. G, very helpful explanation in your last post. Also, I  "Grognard"   and as just shown, smilecons should help easy the pain if your words don't come out meaning exactly what you meant!  Enjoy, folks Doug. ... almost all of the Maximites, the MicromMites, the MM Extremes, the ArmMites, the PicoMite and loving it! |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9061 |
I'm a BIG believer in using similies often - in case the members here have not noticed by now! Opps - there I did it again! There can be quite a bit of interpretation difference between: "No, that is a stupid idea." ....and.... "No, that is a stupid idea.  "Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| thwill Guru Joined: 16/09/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 3840 |
Thank you Grogster. Game*Mite, CMM2 Welcome Tape, Creaky old text adventures |
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