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Grogster Admin Group  Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
Here we go, yet again.... W10 wants me to restart to upgrade to the new version, which I am about to do, but despite being FORCED to do this(MS never give you the choice, they just FORCE it on you in W10), I feel my Linux boxes calling me yet again. I am almost there with Linux Mint, but I still have issues with it, so I guess I will get pissed off enough one day, to finally make the move and get rid of W10 completely. Anyhoo, in case this update does not go swimmingly, I thought I would post a BEFORE update thread, and I will add to this thread again, after the update if everything goes OK etc. Wish me luck - jumping off the cliff now........ Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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CaptainBoing Guru  Joined: 07/09/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2170 |
good luck! so glad I stayed with Win7. everything just works (and yes I know full well, the "risks") |
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goc30 Guru Joined: 12/04/2017 Location: FrancePosts: 435 |
Hi Grog you can delay update win10 delay update for the "pause" version you can click several times to delay 7 days each time Edited 2020-09-09 19:40 by goc30 |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
Well, that went reasonably painlessly, I have to say. Actual update took lest then five mins. So, I am still here and able to communicate - always a bit of a wild-card with the latest W10 updates that I have heard can break network connections. In my case, it seems to have worked OK. All network drives are fine and accessible. Perhaps I was over-reacting?  Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| CaptainBoing Guru Joined: 07/09/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2170 |
soundly based on experience, old chap! |
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Geoffg Guru Joined: 06/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 3292 |
Microsoft do indeed act as if your PC belongs to them. Because Win 10 does not have games like Solitaire, Free Cell, etc I ported these from my Win 7 install but on every major update Microsoft goes and uninstalls them. This is my software (I paid for it) yet they believe that they have the right to take it away from me. I now have the re installation of these games automated so it is not a huge problem but I wonder what Microsoft will do next with my PC. Geoff Geoff Graham - http://geoffg.net |
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Poppy Guru Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
I think the intended future shall be having no individual property at all. All being shared and leased and therefore owned by Microsoft as a monopolist, the hardware will just be terminals being connected to some cloud doing all the software tasks. ... time to get a hammer then! I am running Win 10 and 7 in parallel, the first for stupid jobs and the latter for more important ones.  Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
| HellbentHorse Regular Member  Joined: 08/07/2020 Location: AustraliaPosts: 55 |
Apart from one computer currently used for a mix of work related things, all other laptops/computers in my house currently run linux and I've never been happier. Never any issues with these systems and the main thing is the OS just gets out of your way and lets you do what you need to. In recent years I've taken a fondness to Gentoo given its flexibility (and the fact a lot of CPU's these days have a heck of a lot more cores and threads than back in the day). |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
The first update seemed to just be a prerequisite for the 2nd bigger update, and the 2nd one rebooted the machine several times and took about an hour. However, everything is still working OK. The only odd thing I note, is that in the taskbar, Windoze keeps saying there is no internet connection, despite it actually working, and my VPN even says it has a connection. That, and Windoze is CONSTANTLY now asking to reboot to install updates. So, I reboot, and.....nothing happens. No update, then the icon just keeps coming back in the taskbar. I have given up on bothering to restart at this point, cos it does not seem to do anything at all, other then annoy me asking to reboot all the damn time. This weekend, I hope to play a bit more with my Linux Mint 20 box(which is also on a NUC), and see if I can find a way to get the VirtualBox Win7 that runs my CAD software, to see the Linux printer, but so far, I have not had any luck there. If anyone else here has run a VirtualBox Windoze and been able to setup a link to the Linux printer inside the VM, I would love to know how you did it. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| CaptainBoing Guru Joined: 07/09/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 2170 |
deleted (wrong thread) Edited 2020-09-11 17:02 by CaptainBoing |
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IanT Senior Member  Joined: 29/11/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 108 |
Updated W10 last night, no problems at all, about 10 minutes total. However, I'm not running anything 'custom' in the way of comms - my installed apps range from a (now very dated) version of Office through to more modern stuff like Solid Edge 2020. So I guess for some, W10 works exactly the way they need it to but maybe not so much for others - different needs I guess. Regards, IanT |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
RANT WARNING!!!! I just did another reboot. Latest update HAS broken what WINDOZE thinks is internet access. Spodify will not connect. It says you have to have an active connection to the internet - I phucking do!  Note the "Globe" icon, saying I have no internet access? Note the Virtual VPN icon, showing that I DO have access. Note also the Dropbox icon, showing I have access to that too.  When I try to ask 'Windoze help' for help on this, I am told I am not online...... Jesus. Happily, internet access DOES seem to be working in the background, as my web browser is working fine - despite the logo above - and I can access YouTube or anything else on the web fine. Specific apps that run locally, that require internet access now won't work - cos of the icon in the task-manager, and any apps like that ALL report that I have no internet access. Thank heavens for small mercies, that I am able to post here at all at this point. Phuck Windoze. I'm gonna go play with my Linux Mint box now.  @ Glenn(moderator) - I'm sorry, but I am just so annoyed tonight cos of this. I hope that my post count will allow me a LITTLE leeway on this in terms of pseudo language. I'm JUST ABOUT at breaking point...  I was called in tonight, to a client who could no longer access any of their documents since the latest update. WHY? They used a PIN to log in to their PC, and so then MS links ALL their docs to the cloud and OneDrive. Cos the update broke the logon to their OneDrive account, they cannot now access any of their documents. THANKS MICROSUCK!  Anytime you try to save a document, MS insisted on saving to the cloud, which was not available cos the update broke SOMETHING there, so it was just stuck in a never-ending loop of "Please sign-in to your Microsoft account to continue." Life is NOT meant to be this hard. I installed LibreOffice and got them going on that, so they can save to anywhere they like. I suggested perhaps moving off of Windoze onto Linux Mint. I will be doing SO MUCH MORE study of Mint in the coming months, so expect many threads about things to do with Mint, as I need to get away from this FORCED upgrade madness that seems to break everything. Perhaps I am now biased against MS. Perhaps. But I don't think it is without just cause. Rant over. Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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Revlac Guru Joined: 31/12/2016 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1154 |
Yep, thats windoesnt for ya. I only have a dislike for it because of its playing up with internet access and bugs and stuffups and mindless hours of reboots and reinstall over the years not to mention all the power consumed wasting time doing this, then the less you get for what you pay, and then......oh bugger it, the list goes on. This convinced me to go to ubuntu, even though it looks much different I couldn't care if it didn't have a windoze fell or look. It had Firefox and Thunderbird and I was off to a good start. I wanted my programs existing programs to work on Ubuntu, as not many were built to work with a linux system, the short answer I kept getting was to find alternative programs that will do the job you want. The issue for me was having to learn how to use the different programs after been so used to the windoze based one's. It wasn't all that hard to find things that will do the job I want and they were free, looking further most of the popular ones have other installation that will work with windoze, mac or linux, So why couldn't these programs that people have been paying for over the years, release a compatible linux version? That way they could at least keep the clients they have, instead of losing customers because of pissed windoze uses. This sort of relates to one of your earlier post's Grogster.....about the cad software. I'm not a windozs hater, I still use 3 computers with win7, win8 and 8.1 just keep it away from the from the WEB. Looking forward to your post about Linux Mint or other... Cheers Aaron Off The Grid |
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| BrianP Senior Member Joined: 30/03/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 292 |
Hi all (especially Grogs) YOU CAN TURN OFF AUTOMATIC UPDATING! For quite a while now on mission critical PCs I have been using a little freeby program called WAU Manager. It works a treat & has survived several Windows major updates (only if I wanted them). Basically it turns off the auto updating "feature" (but you will still get ALL updates if you manually use the Windows update dialog). WAU Manager provides you with a list of available updates with individual checkboxes so you can pick & choose to install security related updates but not the major version ones. It works for both Home & Pro versions. I love it Download from (it's donate ware) https://www.carifred.com/wau_manager/ Grogs - well worth investigating...  Cheers Brian Edited 2020-09-12 09:51 by BrianP |
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| berighteous Senior Member Joined: 18/07/2020 Location: United StatesPosts: 110 |
I'm on win7 on a Ryzen 7 2700. I built this one as a a temporary thing while I fixed my flaky win10 machine and well, I never got around to fixing the win10 machine and win7-64 works fine. |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
@ Brian: I have tried WAU manager. It may well have been you who recommended it to me about a year ago when I was moaning about updates. It did not work for me. Disable all that stuff, on next reboot or a wee while down the track, I just kept getting the update reminder pop-up BS again, so much as I wanted it to work for me, it did not - for me anyway. Perhaps I need to try the latest version. I have no doubt that MS are aware of that program, and probably have scripts in their updates to automatically disable that software so that the updates can continue from now, till the end of time... I was REALLY mad last night when I posted, so a small apology for my language. I normally keep it clean on the forums. I'm still really annoyed, cos Spodify still won't work, and nothing I do will get rid of that globe icon saying I have no internet, so Spodify says it can't connect. I still thank the tech-gods that internet access is indeed still working in the background despite that, so at least I can moan and rant to all of you on the forums about it. I know you can get Spodify for Linux Mint - I have seen it there in Software Manager, so I will probably move to that soon. Opera is my preferred browser. I wonder if you can get a version of that for Mint... Probably. It would surprise me if not. You can install practically anything on Linux if you know what you're doing so it would seem. EDIT: Oh, BTW, I really hate the latest version of MS Word. That was what I was trying to fix last night for a client, and ended up just giving them LibreOffice Writer instead. They instantly liked Writer more then Word. Word USED to be good, but as with Internet Explorer(now Edge) and many other MS programs, they get more and more bogged down and convoluted with each update. I mean - what's the deal with not allowing someone using Word 2020, to NOT save to a local file? They just won't let you if you are signed in with a PIN and linked to the cloud. You should still be able to save locally, but Word won't let you. When you try(Save As/Browse/My documents or some similar kind of path to the local drive), Word refuses to let you do it. It keeps insisting BEFORE you can complete that, to sign into your MS account. WHY should that even be a requirement to save locally?!?!!????!!!! .....and cos the update broke THEIR account login, they can't do that till that is sorted out, so you can't save ANY updates to ANY file via Word. They probably won't go back to Word now they have LibreOffice Writer, cos - heaven forbid - it lets you save the file anywhere you like instead of ONLY where MS like..... Edited 2020-09-12 13:36 by Grogster Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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| BrianP Senior Member Joined: 30/03/2017 Location: AustraliaPosts: 292 |
I give up! Strange that it still seems to work for me - over a dozen PCs using it. You did tick the box to tell it to disable auto updates? (not selected by default). Re MS Office - I totally agree. I think we need to start a class action... Re the networking - try uninstalling & reinstalling the network card drivers - sometimes magically works. B Edited 2020-09-12 14:36 by BrianP |
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Lou Senior Member Joined: 01/02/2014 Location: United StatesPosts: 229 |
I feel for you Grogs, Glad I'm still running Windoze 7. How does someone get to be that rich mucking up the whole planet ?? Make sure you take the vaccines Bill's pushing, what could go wrong with that ?? Lou Microcontrollers - the other white meat |
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| mclout999 Guru Joined: 05/07/2020 Location: United StatesPosts: 490 |
This Tuseday's Big update Killed several of my customers system and we had to use a restor point to get them back. Remember when Windows would let you just hold down F8 and go into SAFE MODE!! Why the hell did they remove that sh*t from Windows 10. It boggles the mind. I have to boot form install media or custom boot disk for god's sake. That ain't right. |
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| Grogster Admin Group Joined: 31/12/2012 Location: New ZealandPosts: 9610 |
Hi chums. @ mclout999: YEAH, I KNOW, RIGHT!!!! Interestingly, W10 DOES have a safe-mode, BUT you have to be able to boot the computer to get to it. So, the safe-mode, which is designed to help you fix a system that is stuck with a corrupted driver or something, can only be run if the system is running normally - totally defeating the freakin' purpose of the thing. Grrrrrrr..... I've been playing with Linux Mint tonight, and now I have my Win7 VM printing to the network printer via the Linux Mint host. I had to set the network adaptor in VirtualBox to "Bridged" mode instead of NAT as it was by default. Interestingly, the VM Win7 cannot see the internet at all. That is actually a good thing, but I am wondering why that is the case. I don't care. I won't be wanting internet on the VM Win7, as I just want it to run my Windoze-only CAD software, and to be able to print from those CAD softwares. It was easy to get going, once I set VB to "Bridged" in networking, then Win7 could see the network printer, but refused to install it as it said it could not find the drivers. This is probably cos it could not get access to the net to try. I just downloaded the driver from Brother, and installed it manually, then it sprang to life, and I have already done a couple of test prints, so I know that is now working. Oh, and I did find a version of Opera browser for Linux. It was not available via the software manager, but I just went to the Opera website and downloaded the DEB package, and Mint very helpfully offered to install-after-download, and even said it needed an extra package or two, and did I want it to get them at the same time. Ahhhhh.....YES PLEASE! The only issue I have now, is that I only installed it on a 120GB spare SSD I had on the shelf, so I really need to go up to a bigger one. Does anyone know of a easy to install and use drive-cloning program for Linux I can use to clone this small SSD to a bigger one? Apparently Macrium Reflect won't work with Linux.  Smoke makes things work. When the smoke gets out, it stops! |
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