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Forum Index : Microcontroller and PC projects : CM2: Generic BASIC Programs
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| bar1010 Senior Member  Joined: 10/08/2020 Location: United StatesPosts: 197 |
Generic_BASIC_Programs.zip |
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| JohnS Guru  Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4044 |
Do you have Copyright permissions from each and every author to post those? John |
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Poppy Guru Joined: 25/07/2019 Location: GermanyPosts: 486 |
Do they reach a certain grade of creativity to achieve copyright? Too simple programs probably may not!  Andre ... such a GURU? | ||||
thwill Guru Joined: 16/09/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4311 |
I'm not commenting on the legality of what is being posted (en-masse) at the moment, but I'm not sure something has to have merit in order for it to qualify for copyright. Again independent of the legality I am curious, from a historic / academic perspective, about where all this originated. Best wishes, Tom Edited 2020-09-21 03:51 by thwill MMBasic for Linux, Game*Mite, CMM2 Welcome Tape, Creaky old text adventures |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4044 |
What now??? Bearing in mind the very first I looked at has an explicit copyright (not required but hey it's there), the issue is very much alive. Overall looks to be about 40,000 lines of code. So long as the copyright has been waived/granted all should be OK & Glenn (the site owner) should also be OK. John Edited 2020-09-21 04:04 by JohnS |
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| bar1010 Senior Member Joined: 10/08/2020 Location: United StatesPosts: 197 |
No. Perhaps this post should be deleted. |
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| thwill Guru Joined: 16/09/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4311 |
And all the gameboard images you've been posting? Tom MMBasic for Linux, Game*Mite, CMM2 Welcome Tape, Creaky old text adventures |
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| bar1010 Senior Member Joined: 10/08/2020 Location: United StatesPosts: 197 |
No, not those. Who appointed you to be a policeman? If you do not like what I post, then ignore it. Don’t go ruining the experience for everyone else. You give me a hard time, I won’t bother uploading anything else. Edited 2020-09-21 08:06 by bar1010 |
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| bar1010 Senior Member Joined: 10/08/2020 Location: United StatesPosts: 197 |
Who appointed you to be a policeman? Stay out of other people’s business. You give me a hard time and I will not bother to upload any more files to this forum for others to use. |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4044 |
Who gave you the right to endanger this entire web site? Your stupid reckless action risks it being taken down. Grow up. Learn the law. John Edited 2020-09-21 08:45 by JohnS |
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| bar1010 Senior Member Joined: 10/08/2020 Location: United StatesPosts: 197 |
I don’t appreciate your comments. Don’t bother commenting on anything I post anymore. |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 4044 |
Reported to site owner. John |
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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5119 |
Not sure where I stand on this, its a fine line. Those files are all .bas files, not compiled. Anyone could look at the source code, modify it, etc. A few I looked at have been printed in magazines. I think for now, if its a uncompiled file, there is no copyright warning in the code, and the original authors comments are intact, its OK to share. If they were compiled or cracked programs, no go. Thoughts? The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| bar1010 Senior Member Joined: 10/08/2020 Location: United StatesPosts: 197 |
Many of these programs were written more than 40 years ago. If it is in violation, then the internet site that I download them from is in violation as well, but if it makes you feel better go ahead and have them removed. |
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| Paul_L Guru Joined: 03/03/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 769 |
@Gizmo >> My thoughts. Copyright law in the U.S. is intended to route profits from creative works to the authors of those works, or their heirs, for a period of at least 45 years after the authors death. If there are no profits generated then the copyright doesn't mean much. Some people think that you can't copy a creative work in any way without infringing on the copyright. But, in the case of a computer program this is impossible. The program must be copied (from a disk to RAM memory) in order to operate. If it doesn't operate then it does no one any good. Furthermore, most U.S. courts agree that a creative work can be copied to preserve backup copies, as long as only one copy is actually being read or used at a time. They haven't looked at the problem of two people reading the same book at the same time. Most U.S. courts seem to think that copyrights are only meaningful if the creative work represents some sort of new viewpoint or advancee in thinking. Simplistic or obvious ideas are not protected. If I write the sentence "My dog died!" and label it "(C) Copyright 2020, P Lepkowski", the copyright is probably ineffective and meaningless. I looked through most of the programs in the posted zip file. They all seem to have been created between 1973 and 1979 by contributors to Creative Computing, a magazine published in Morristown, NJ. The publisher was the legendary David Ahl! I met him in the 1950s in Ithaca, NY. He entered Cornell in 1956, a year earlier than I did. Then he worked for DEC for a decade or more, then started Creative Computing in 1974 and sold it to Ziff Davis about 1984. Along the way he wrote a number of books about computers and programming. In 2010 he helped re-publish two of those books for the introduction of Microsoft Small Basic. I believe that David still lives in Morristown, NJ. He is an extremely interesting guy, with diverse interests associated with restoring old military vehicles, motivational web sites, domesticated cats, collecting clean jokes, vintage computers, stamp collecting, and investing. His website is at SWAPMEETDAVE, Wikipedia covers his Creative Computing Magazine at link, he has some of his books online at link, you can find some of his out of print books at link, and he has a facebook page at link. I don't think he has any further interest in the rudimentary programs in the posted zip file, but you might try to contact him at SwapMeetDave@aol.com. He would be a wonderful addition to TBS!!!!! Paul in NY |
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Womble Senior Member Joined: 09/07/2020 Location: United KingdomPosts: 267 |
In the UK copyright usually persists for 70 years after the artist/authors death. 50 years for broadcast works. Commissioned works, or works produced whilst in employment are differnt / more complex. There are also limited exceptions for academic or reference purposes. I believe in some cases copyright can be assigned to heirs or organisations. But that is a VERY simplistic representation, and the rules vary depending of jurisdiction. Wrangling about this keeps Lawyers in champagne and caviar and probably always will. This is a Huge Can of Worms. |
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