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JohnS
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Posted: 07:07am 30 Jun 2022

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will notice that CYW43439 supports both Bluetooth Classic and Bluetooth Low-Energy: we have not enabled Bluetooth on Pico W at launch, but may do so in the future.

That's a bit half-a$$ed

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Posted: 07:41am 30 Jun 2022

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Perhaps it is as simple as they wanted to get the WiFi networking going first and release the uf2 file for people to play with ASAP. Perhaps there is more coding involved to get the bluetooth support going etc, which would have delayed the release of the firmware file, so, release with WiFi networking, and they'll work on another firmware file that adds the BT support for later - but the first firmware will allow people to play with the networking side of things now rather then having to wait. That is how I interpret it anyway.

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Grogster said Perhaps it is as simple as they wanted to get the WiFi networking going first and release the uf2 file for people to play with ASAP. �Perhaps there is more coding involved to get the bluetooth support going etc, which would have delayed the release of the firmware file, so, release with WiFi networking, and they'll work on another firmware file that adds the BT support for later - but the first firmware will allow people to play with the networking side of things now rather then having to wait. �That is how I interpret it anyway.

I guess...but without BLE you ain't got IoT

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Posted: 10:08am 30 Jun 2022

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Perhaps not BT MESH, but can't you do IoT with plain old WiFi?

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Posted: 10:14am 30 Jun 2022

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Grogster said Perhaps not BT MESH, but can't you do IoT with plain old WiFi?

Well, the internet bit, yeah but the cool thing about BT-LE is the "low energy". Batteries in remote sensors instead of hard-wiring.

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Posted: 10:40am 30 Jun 2022

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Well, I just ordered mine... we will see.

Tinine
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Posted: 11:16am 30 Jun 2022

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These guys make good product

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Posted: 12:05pm 30 Jun 2022

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Tinine said These guys make good product

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I have a couple and am running Peter's Remote Thermostat program (under MMBasic) with only minor changes to suit the Pico. The ESP32 (via the inbuilt and comprehensivly commented AT codes) is far, FAR easier (for me at least

) to understand and get an html page working. Interfacing to the Infineon wifi chips looks very complex and low level.

Doug.

... almost all of the Maximites, the MicromMites, the MM Extremes, the ArmMites, the PicoMite and loving it!

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Posted: 12:05pm 30 Jun 2022

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I also ordered a Pico W. One can live in hope.

Absence of wifi is the reason I use ESP8266 D1 Mini or ESP32 with Annex Basic, because I need to get my sensor readings to my aggregator devices without wires. I'd rather use MMBasic, but the wifi connections through, for example, an ESP-01, are clunky.

Peter has previously asked for a specification for integration of wifi into MMBasic, but got no public response. It's not a simple matter for it to be well-integrated.

Perhaps now a group of interested MMBasic users can make a stab at a specification. (I know--a camel is a mammal designed by a committee.)

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Posted: 12:08pm 30 Jun 2022

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It may be that bluetooth requires more processing power / RAM / flash than they've been willing to sacrifice to get the thing to market. It would be sad if the bluetooth version only had 100KB of RAM or one CPU core or something daft like that. Only guessing.

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If only we could arrange for cicciocb (Annex RDS Basic) and matherp (the Pico MMBasic guru) to get married with geoffg (Mr. MMBasic) as the celebrant ......

For anyone looking at any of the 'mites and wireless, have a look at Annex RDS Basic as the interface (on ESP8266 or ESP32) - great doco, Annex Basic very similar to MMBasic and integrated ability to intermix html and Basic.

No offence meant to any of the parties mentioned.
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... almost all of the Maximites, the MicromMites, the MM Extremes, the ArmMites, the PicoMite and loving it!

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Posted: 12:36pm 30 Jun 2022

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Ok, I checked out Annex website... and man... This should be nominated for "worst web sites" right up there with Yale School Of Art

Blech.

I muddle around on the website for a while though and see what this is all about.

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Posted: 01:52pm 30 Jun 2022

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panky said I have a couple and am running Peter's Remote Thermostat program (under MMBasic) with only minor changes to suit the Pico. The ESP32 (via the inbuilt and comprehensivly commented AT codes) is far, FAR easier (for me at least

) to understand and get an html page working. Interfacing to the Infineon wifi chips looks very complex and low level.

Doug.

Oh wow! I had it in my head that they were just too different to expect compatibility...guess I need to order one.

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Posted: 01:58pm 30 Jun 2022

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Mixtel90 said It may be that bluetooth requires more processing power / RAM / flash than they've been willing to sacrifice to get the thing to market. It would be sad if the bluetooth version only had 100KB of RAM or one CPU core or something daft like that. Only guessing.

I haven't checked that particuar device but every other BT device I use simply connects to TX and RX....MCU doesn't know/care what it's talking to.

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Posted: 02:10pm 30 Jun 2022

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Just had a glance at the datasheet and it's both Class 1(100m) and Class 2(10m)

Read a bit further.....

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Posted: 02:20pm 30 Jun 2022

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I'm sure that if the BT system only involved sending AT commands to set it up and then simple serial coms they'd have done it from day one. There must be more to it - getting the protocol right or something else that the BT chip doesn't handle itself. It may be that it works fine, but won't talk to standard BT devices yet.

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Tinine
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Posted: 02:24pm 30 Jun 2022

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panky said If only we could arrange for cicciocb (Annex RDS Basic) and matherp (the Pico MMBasic guru) to get married with geoffg (Mr. MMBasic) as the celebrant ...... �

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Please NO! His ESP32 runs at half the speed of a 48MHz MM and he strictly forbids the use of his interpreter in a commercial app. Double turn-off for me.

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Posted: 02:47pm 30 Jun 2022

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I have not done a real project with Annex, but was intrigued by the simplicity for creating (html ?) graphs, gauges, and other UI from basic.

The times I played with it I was not overly happy with the way you have to edit and run your programs. But convinced myself if I ever get a project that requires this html like UI, I would look to it in more depth.

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Maintaining a WIFI stack and protocols will eat into your ARM bandwidth. Unless the WIFI has a CPU of it's own. Just imagine AES compression on all data you pass (WPA2). Done by the CPU.
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Tinine
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Posted: 03:17pm 30 Jun 2022

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Volhout said
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Maintaining a WIFI stack and protocols will eat into your ARM bandwidth. Unless the WIFI has a CPU of it's own. Just imagine AES compression on all data you pass (WPA2). Done by the CPU.

Huh? I'm talking Bluetooth and the fact that they haven't enabled it. All of my products from the past 10 years are Bluetooth linked and it is no different to hardwiring between TX/RX of each device (I use the SPP protocol).

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