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bigmik

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Posted: 12:06am 28 Apr 2014
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Hi All,

I have just had a frustrating chase that in the end I couldnt fix.

Using windows 8.1 64bit...

I had the PICKIT3 working fine initially when Geoff brought out the uMite.. Now I cant get MPlabx 2.00 to see the PicKit3 (when programming).. It detects its there and says a PID/VID No. but wont burn to it..

I think I have suffered the auto windows 8.1 driver update scenario and my driver is up the poo.. I cannot seem to find a working driver anywhere..

I powered up the win7 box and had to install mplab 2.00 but it worked first go.

Any ideas?

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mick
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robert.rozee
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Posted: 12:25am 28 Apr 2014
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upgrading the win8.1 box to win7 would be one solution. even better, upgrade it to winXP.


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Bryan1

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Mick have you tried using MPLab IPE to do the programming, I found trying to use mplabx a royal pain in the abbott and found the IPE worked nicely, note this is on win7 64bit too.
 
bigmik

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  Bryan1 said   a royal pain in the abbott.


Bryan,

I don't know whether to laugh more at your avatar or the above statement.

Abbott being our PM for those overseas friends.

Regards,

Mick

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WhiteWizzard
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Posted: 01:21am 28 Apr 2014
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Mick,

Agree with Bryan1, MPLabX a pain in the b**.

No issues with MPLab IDE v8.90 on various Windows platforms.

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Lou

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Posted: 02:32am 28 Apr 2014
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Hi Mick,

Read my post (on page 3 now) titled Windows XP, Windows 7 and PICkit3.

I had similar problems going from XP to Windows 7 and have a procedure spelled out there to make the PICkit3 work. Don't know if it will work on Windows 8 or not but it's worth a try.

Hope this helps,

Lou
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bigmik

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Thanks Fellas,

I will try the IPE tomorrow and let you all know how I went.

Regards,

Mick

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TassyJim

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Posted: 12:23pm 28 Apr 2014
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I tried to install MPLAB 8.92 onto my W8.1 netbook and the install hung. No help for you there!

I had a look at the help file and found the following which may help you.

• You cannot get your hardware tool to work with MPLAB IDE.
(1) Did you install the correct drivers for the tool? With the tool powered and connected to your PC, locate the Device Manager for your Windows OS and check
under “Microchip Tools” to see if your driver is listed. If not, go to the MPLAB IDE
installation directory, locate the directory for your tool and its “Drivers” subdirectory, and open the HTML instruction file to determine how to install the drivers.
(2) Is everything connected properly? Please consult the tool documentation for
proper setup, even if it seems obvious.
(3) Is the tool powered correctly? Make sure you use the power supply provided
with the tool for correct operation.
(4) Is the target powered? Is its oscillator functioning?
(5) Is the device code-protected? Please check the device configuration bits to
determine this.
(6) Are you using a USB hub? Is it powered? Try connecting directly into the PC.

Jim
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bigmik

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Posted: 12:48pm 28 Apr 2014
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Lads,

Thank you for your advice and assistance, I agree that MPLABx is a Pain in the butt. I had another go this morning but couldnt get anywhere with it..

Windows 7 box no problem... win 8.1 No way.. (it WAS working but Win 8.1 does these driver updates and no way can I get it to find/load another driver..

The IPE suggestion worked perfectly though, Thank you.. It is MUCH MUCH easier and actually works so I will stick with that one for now.

TassieJim,

I couldnt find any directory named DRIVER TOOLS nor, indeed, any that was named DRIVERS. But the PICKIT3 works as evidenced by the IPE working like a charm..

Thank you for all your help I am now an almost happy chappie.

Regards,

Mick




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TassyJim

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Posted: 01:16pm 28 Apr 2014
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I managed to get it installed on my W8.1 on the second attempt.
For the record, the PICkit3 installs as a Human Interface Device
It is listed as a "Vendor Defined Device" so not easy to see that it's installed OK

More from the MPLAB help:

This document may be ignored for the following tools as they use the HID driver and do not require any additional driver installation from customers:
· PICkit 2
· PICkit 3
· Other Starter Kits

Good to see it working again for you. Something to play with on a wet day.

Jim
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bigmik

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Posted: 05:18pm 28 Apr 2014
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  TassyJim said  
Good to see it working again for you. Something to play with on a wet day.


TassieJim,

Yes,

I reckon it is NOT the driver but some cockup in MPLABx or simply a DMFFS problem.

Regards

Mick

PS. DMFFS = Dumb Mick's Fat Finger Syndrome... A very common problem around here.

Mick

Edited by bigmik 2014-04-30
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BobD

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Posted: 03:43pm 13 May 2014
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I just received my genuine Microchip PICkit3 all the way from China this morning. I bought it on 27 March. Anyhow it's finally here.

Now I need to know what to do with it and after reading this thread I'm not sure. I see I have a choice of Mplab X, Mplab PIE, and Mplab IDE.

I only want (at this time) to load MicroMite Basic updates. I have a choice of Win 7 in 32 and 64 bit flavours and Windows 8.1 (with latest update) also in 32 and 64 bits. I'm inclined to go with Win 7 32 bit for maximum compatibility.

What is the best approach? Which Mplab? I know I can go and read up and eventually work out what choice but we have a lot of collective wisdom here and I am trying to leverage that.

I am also trying to get it going in a short time. I have a PayPal dispute out on this for non delivery and I don't want to leave the vendor hanging for too long but I do want to make sure it's working soonest.

TIA
Bob
 
vasi

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Posted: 04:01pm 13 May 2014
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Win 7 32bit MPLAB PIE (it came with MPLAB X).
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bigmik

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Posted: 08:20pm 13 May 2014
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Bob,

after using both the IDE and the IPE, I can categorically state to go for the IPE..

I am using Ver 2.0.

It is so easy, connect your PICKIT3, the drivers should install automatically as an HID (human interface device).

Use the Menus to select the device you wish to program (PIC32MX150F128B)

Select the TOOL (PICKIT3)
Press connect (you should see some activity in the log window and a fail on the device)
Browse for the HEX file you want to burn into the PIC32
Power the micromite via whatever way it is supplied on your particular device,
Then click PROGRAM and it should be away and work,

It is not only simple it is very straight forward..

You can even have a TT window open and watch the post message come and go.

To do the same with the IDE (if it works for you under win 8.1) is a nightmare in comparison.

Regards,

Mick



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BobD

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Posted: 08:28pm 13 May 2014
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I am in confusion here. I am just downloading MPLAB X v2.10. I may have it wrong but the IPE seems to be a sub section of MPLAB X. I am at this page http://www.microchip.com/pagehandler/en-us/family/mplabx/ Should I be looking elsewhere?
 
Grogster

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Posted: 08:30pm 13 May 2014
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Yeah, the IPE is a sub-section of the MPLAB X installer package. Part of the install, will install the IPE, and put an icon on the desktop for you. That done, I just deleted the other desktop icons.

Not sure if you can get the IPE seperately or not, but that is what the situation was for me when I installed IPE.
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bigmik

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Posted: 08:31pm 13 May 2014
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Bob,

the IPE came with the IDE package I downloaded (ver 2.0). I dont know if it can be downloaded by itself.

Mick
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BobD

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Thanks guys, we are going well here. I have also been doing some RTFM. It tells me that I have to install the MPLAB X and then I will see an icon for the IPE.

The PICkit3 Quick Start Guide indicates to provide external power to the processor. Is that an essential? Can I power via the ICSP header? I am talking about a PIC32MX32F128-I-SP, the 28 pin DIP device.
Bob
 
TassyJim

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The PICkit3 can only supply limited power.
It is safest to use an external source, especially if there is any extra circuitry that may use a bit of power as well.

Jim
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bigmik

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Posted: 09:40pm 13 May 2014
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Bob,

In regard to my MuP PCB, when I used the IDE (before Win 8.1 decided to update a driver that stopped me programming using the IDE --- I still have no idea what happened there but it no will not detect my PICKIT3). I could tell the PICKIT3 to supply power to the target and it handled it all fine.

The IPE however (which happily see my PICKIT3 on win 8.1), seems NOT to be able to supply power to the target (I cant find it as an option, but then I AM going blind) so it is necessary to supply external power to use the IPE..

Of course i am open to being proved wrong.

Regards,

Mick

EDIT***
Just to add, using my windows 7 PC I CAN program my MuP using the IDE and letting the PICKIT3 supply the power.

Mik
Edited by bigmik 2014-05-15
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