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Gizmo Admin Group  Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5012 |
It been brought to my attention that some of the images on this site have been stolen and used on other sites to sell windmill stuff not related to thebackshed. This was first noticed a year back when a UK based ebay seller was advertising a "Build your own Windmill instructions" on dvd, using photos and text cut and pasted from this web site. I contacted ebay and put my case forward, and they quickly removed the offending ebay seller. More recently a Chineese web site has been using photos from this forum and web site to try and market windmill blades. Again, these images and info were taken without consent, and the offender has even added their own watermark to the images! Not much we can do about the Chineese case, our copyright laws and ethics mean nothing in China. As far as I'm concerned, images and information posted on this site belong to the member who posted it. I wont delete a image or text posted unless there is a good reason to do so, even at the request of the member who posted it. Nothing looks worse than a disjointed thread with missing images. But more importantly, I wont reuse the image or text without permission of the member. If I want to use a members image in a article or elsewhere, I will ask for permission to do so, and so should everyone else. So what I want to do is add watermarts to every image uploaded by members. The watermark will contain the members username, this web site address, and the date it was uploaded, like this example below. The watermark will happen automatically as the image is uploaded to the forum. 
But before I make these changes, I need to check you guys are OK with this. How do you feel about it? It wont stop some low life in China from stealing the images, but it makes it harder, and they will need to crop the image to remove the watermark. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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stuarts Senior Member  Joined: 15/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 194 |
Glenn, I'd consider putting the watermark across the centre of the image to make them unusable anywhere else. I'm sure if they looked much like what you have there, they wouldn't detract from what we are trying to convey in the photos. Stuart Time is nature's way of keeping everything from happening all at once. |
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Tinker Guru  Joined: 07/11/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1904 |
Good idea Glenn, its fine with me to put on my images. Klaus |
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Rastus Guru Joined: 29/10/2010 Location: AustraliaPosts: 301 |
Hi Glen, I'm not technology savy and wondering if there is a way of limiting reproduction to registered members only?I've seen advertising for F&P motors and mill parts that I felt may have copied forum content,while others make direct reference to it to promote sales the latter not being an issue as I understand it.I worked as a sign writer for a while and all that was required in Australia to protect your work was the letter C encased by a circle.I don't know if that still holds true,the copy wright laws are an ever exspanding feild for litigation.Cheers Rastus see Rastus graduate advise generously |
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donmck Guru Joined: 09/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 1310 |
I have to agree with Stuart Glenn, so easy to crop the text out. Depends if your machine will a big water mark in the centre of the picture of course. Cheers Don... https://www.32v8.com/1 |
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VK6MRG Guru Joined: 08/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 347 |
Glenn, I would have to agree with Stuart. Adding a water mark at the bottom the image will make it slightly harder to steal but with a quick crop and the water mark is gone! Adding the water mark in the centre of the image maybe a distraction and limit the detail under the water mark, but will make it extremely difficult to remove. And thanks for looking out for us! It's good to know you have our back on this sort of thing!  Its easier to ask forgiveness than to seek permission! ............VK6MRG.............VK3MGR............ |
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vasi Guru Joined: 23/03/2007 Location: RomaniaPosts: 1697 |
Indeed, is easy to crop text out but, you can still prove that the image is yours, Because is hard to add what is missing. But here appear another problem. Sometime, when we refer a site and an event, we put also images from that site... so, we can't have the watermark on those images. Solution is to put only our images. Vasi Hobbit name: Togo Toadfoot of Frogmorton Elvish name: Mablung Miriel Beyound Arduino Lang |
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Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
Gizmo, Great Idea, as VASI said all photos could not be Marked. I agree with Vasi that Members ID their own work that they want to protect from Market Thieves. A simple Tag that suits them could be placed on uploaded images in a place that would not hide a detail but would remove a portion of the Image. -----Cheers, Roe 
Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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| vasi Guru Joined: 23/03/2007 Location: RomaniaPosts: 1697 |
Maybe we can still rely on forum script (is pleasant to have only one style on watermark)... if the uploading script can provide a checking box for watermarking... Vasi Hobbit name: Togo Toadfoot of Frogmorton Elvish name: Mablung Miriel Beyound Arduino Lang |
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| vasi Guru Joined: 23/03/2007 Location: RomaniaPosts: 1697 |
But thinking more, the example watermark provided by Glenn says that the photo was uploaded by X and not owned or created by X. According to this, we can watermark all uploaded photos. Dunno... Vasi Hobbit name: Togo Toadfoot of Frogmorton Elvish name: Mablung Miriel Beyound Arduino Lang |
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mac46 Guru Joined: 07/02/2008 Location: United StatesPosts: 412 |
Gizmo, I'm ok with what ever is decided, a water mark, ID script, ect. ...Mac46 I'm just a farmer |
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| Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
Gizmo, How about adding a standard format tool to the post reply page where the author could add his name and place the watermark at his discretion. ------Cheers, Roe Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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| Gizmo Admin Group Joined: 05/06/2004 Location: AustraliaPosts: 5012 |
I've been playing aroud with the code and I can overlay semi transparent text instead of opaque text. This means the copyright info can be across the middle of the image, barely visible, and near impossible to remove. Yeah I have no control over linked in images, only images uploaded. The (c)username tells everyone the image belongs to member X, and the "Uploaded to thebackshed.com" and date tells everyone member X uploaded it to thebackshed, a paper trail, giving thebackshed permission to display the picture. I'll look into adding a check box on the image upload screen, sometimes its hard to do with file upload forms. Basically, "tick here to add copyright watermark". That way the member decides if they want the copyright info included, in case the image belongs to a 3rd party, etc. Glenn The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago, the second best time is right now. JAQ |
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| VK6MRG Guru Joined: 08/06/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 347 |
I personally wouldn't bother with the check box option. Just automatically add the water mark as standard. I think that if we the users upload to the site this is inferred permission, so an automatic watermark will cover the users and the site. I'm no leagal expert, just my 2 cents worth.  Its easier to ask forgiveness than to seek permission! ............VK6MRG.............VK3MGR............ |
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| Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
Glen, That semi transparent Text and a Tic Box sounds perfect, all standard, Looks good, no hassle and gets the job Done. Hope you can work it out.----Roe Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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| Greenbelt Guru Joined: 11/01/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 566 |
VK6MRG, HI. The Server computer has no way of knowing whether you authored the image or it is owned by others, It only knows You uploaded it. If you wanted to upload a picture or diagram furnished by others(picaxe.windmill,etc.) it would not be legal to watermark it as your property. A check box will give you freedom to use images that are not copyrighted and are not your property while checking the Box will protect your personal Ideas if you choose. (is this Right?)----Cheers, Roe Time has proven that I am blind to the Obvious, some of the above may be True? |
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MacGyver Guru Joined: 12/05/2009 Location: United StatesPosts: 1329 |
Attaboy, Glen Git 'er done just like your example! Great idea. . . . . . Mac Nothing difficult is ever easy! Perhaps better stated in the words of Morgan Freeman, "Where there is no struggle, there is no progress!" Copeville, Texas |
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fillm Guru Joined: 10/02/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 730 |
Hi Glenn, I have been going through their/his " The F#c#ink Low Life Ripp off B@st@rds"  who seem to want the infomation for free that is done here with all good intensions and for the benifit of the members and visitors to this site , that they then upload it to their own pages with out a single acknowledgement on where it has come from.
I have found they have also stolen " OZTULES chainsaw blades " as well as all the work Myself and Glenn did with the Aluminium & PVC Blades . Here's the Links Oz Chainsaw Blades and the Alu & PVC stuff Here, on that site that has been "STOLEN" I think it is a good move to watermark all pictures on the backshed Glenn. PhillM ...Oz Wind Engineering..Wind Turbine Kits 500W - 5000W ~ F&P Dual Kits ~ GOE222Blades- Voltage Control Parts ------- Tower kits |
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| Air Bender Senior Member Joined: 25/01/2011 Location: AustraliaPosts: 206 |
Hi Glenn It is wrong that someone could take our projects and market them as there own. Im all for it, which ever way you want to do it. All the best Dean. |
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| fillm Guru Joined: 10/02/2007 Location: AustraliaPosts: 730 |
Hey Glenn, When you start going through a lot of the posts on that site, it seems like they just flog everything from everywhere . Found a couple more Heres your AX Build and directly below it The Lenz . PhillM ...Oz Wind Engineering..Wind Turbine Kits 500W - 5000W ~ F&P Dual Kits ~ GOE222Blades- Voltage Control Parts ------- Tower kits |
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