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mclout999
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I have read several posts assuming that you can just get some cheap 3rd party WII Nunchucks and your good to go.  Well I am on my second set of 2 from Amazon and all of them came DOA. I tested them on my Mayflash wired and wireless PC adapter and not one of them worked.(I like my Clasics as retro gaming controlers and these both work in Windows and RPI)  I then fired up my WII(no small  Feats)and verified none of them work at all. They also all fail on the CMM2. SO, my point here is has anyone found any of the oft-mentioned cheap Numchucks you can just pick up that actually WORKS. I only have one Oregial one and it has seen a lot of wear and tear. So, any link suggestions?

The second issue is with the knockoff classic controller.  The one I got work for the most part quite well, but they do not have the analog functions on the Z1 and Z2 triggers like the REAL ONES DO.  I thought that was the case when I tested them on my PC but only with a CMM2 Joytester app I found on a member's GitHub page did I verify that there are no analog functions on them.  They are just a digital switchs.  Has anyone else come across this issue with knockoffs. I would also like to find a fully functional WII clasic.  Thanks I will link the listing of the CRAP DEAD ones below.

Crap Numchucks (I use tinyurl.com to shorten all my links)

https://tinyurl.com/yxj44r2o

https://tinyurl.com/yyaaznf3

Nice Classics with No analog on Z1 and Z2

https://tinyurl.com/y63ded8n
 
capsikin
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  mclout999 said  The second issue is with the knockoff classic controller.  The one I got work for the most part quite well, but they do not have the analog functions on the Z1 and Z2 triggers like the REAL ONES DO.  I thought that was the case when I tested them on my PC but only with a CMM2 Joytester app I found on a member's GitHub page did I verify that there are no analog functions on them.  They are just a digital switchs.  Has anyone else come across this issue with knockoffs. I would also like to find a fully functional WII clasic.  


It sounds like they work like the "classic controller pro" instead of the "classic controller"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Controller#Classic_Controller_Pro

Although, did you mean the analog joysticks on them also weren't really analog?
Edited 2020-07-30 15:04 by capsikin
 
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MMBasic expects the Classic, not the Classic Pro, hence the Z buttons only being buttons.
The Classic controller I purchased on Ebay was sold as a Classic and while it looks like a Pro, it indeed a standard Classic.

As far as the Nunchuk goes, I have a white clone I purchased a couple of years ago and some new black clones.
The old white one is much more reliable.

The problem with linking to ones you know worked is, next order will be from a different batch and may not work this time.

I am not or have ever been a gamer so don't know much about the different devices out there.

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  capsikin said  
  mclout999 said  The second issue is with the knockoff classic controller.  The one I got work for the most part quite well, but they do not have the analog functions on the Z1 and Z2 triggers like the REAL ONES DO.  I thought that was the case when I tested them on my PC but only with a CMM2 Joytester app I found on a member's GitHub page did I verify that there are no analog functions on them.  They are just a digital switchs.  Has anyone else come across this issue with knockoffs. I would also like to find a fully functional WII clasic.  


It sounds like they work like the "classic controller pro" instead of the "classic controller"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Controller#Classic_Controller_Pro

Although, did you mean the analog joysticks on them also weren't really analog?


No, the analog stick are just fine and work very well on those in that listing.  Only the analog functions on the Z trigers are missing. I have never had a clasic pro. Does it not have the analog function on the Z triggers?  If so mine look like the Por version with the hand extensions.  If the Pros did not have it then they where just being faithful to what they where knocking off.  I am going try to find out if the Pro ones had analog Z triggers.
 
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  capsikin said  
  mclout999 said  The second issue is with the knockoff classic controller.  The one I got work for the most part quite well, but they do not have the analog functions on the Z1 and Z2 triggers like the REAL ONES DO.  I thought that was the case when I tested them on my PC but only with a CMM2 Joytester app I found on a member's GitHub page did I verify that there are no analog functions on them.  They are just a digital switchs.  Has anyone else come across this issue with knockoffs. I would also like to find a fully functional WII clasic.  


It sounds like they work like the "classic controller pro" instead of the "classic controller"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Controller#Classic_Controller_Pro

Although, did you mean the analog joysticks on them also weren't really analog?


No, the analog stick are just fine and work very well on those in that listing.  Only the analog functions on the Z trigers are missing. I have never had a clasic pro. Does it not have the analog function on the Z triggers?  If so mine look like the Por version with the hand extensions.  If the Pros did not have it then they where just being faithful to what they where knocking off.  I am going try to find out if the Pro ones had analog Z triggers.


I only know what I've read on wikipedia and another website, but no it looks like the pro didn't have analog function on the Z triggers.

This is the page from the other website:

http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Wiimote/Extension_Controllers/Classic_Controller_Pro
Edited 2020-07-30 15:40 by capsikin
 
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  capsikin said  

I only know what I've read on wikipedia and another website, but no it looks like the pro didn't have analog function on the Z triggers.


Which means that I do have the Pro.
It is slowly making sense to me. Very slowly...

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The Nunchuk and Classic controller I bought are 2nd hand genuine. There seems to be a good market for these on ebay and are my preference over new knock-off. I can confirm that the Classic (non-pro) has the analog Z buttons and these are supported by the CMM2 firmware
 
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The upshot of this is that we need to not expect that the user will have those analog functions so maybe don't use them as all of the WII controler DO have the digital buttons but only the originals classic has the analog inputs.  OK still can't find a functioning new Numchuck afte buying 4 of them. If anyone finds one please post here as I think my present one is on the way out. I have one more coming form FleaBay but my heart is filled with trepidations.  Good day all.
 
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  mclout999 said  I have read several posts assuming that you can just get some cheap 3rd party WII Nunchucks and your good to go.  Well I am on my second set of 2 from Amazon and all of them came DOA. I tested them on my Mayflash wired and wireless PC adapter and not one of them worked.(I like my Clasics as retro gaming controlers and these both work in Windows and RPI)  I then fired up my WII(no small  Feats)and verified none of them work at all. They also all fail on the CMM2. SO, my point here is has anyone found any of the oft-mentioned cheap Numchucks you can just pick up that actually WORKS. I only have one Oregial one and it has seen a lot of wear and tear. So, any link suggestions?


This page describes two methods (called Old and New) of initialising and communicating with these devices (called extension controllers on the page), and that the Old Way will work with Nintendo's own extensions but won't work with third party wireless nunchuks (third party wired nunchuks aren't explicitly mentioned either way)

https://wiibrew.org/wiki/Wiimote/Extension_Controllers

I wonder if that's the issue. I don't know which method the CMM2 uses (though we do have access to send whatever I2C commands we want, if we don't want to use the included wii protocols)

(update: I forgot you said they didn't work on the Wii itself either)
Edited 2020-08-01 12:01 by capsikin
 
mclout999
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  capsikin said  
  mclout999 said  I have read several posts assuming that you can just get some cheap 3rd party WII Nunchucks and your good to go.  Well I am on my second set of 2 from Amazon and all of them came DOA. I tested them on my Mayflash wired and wireless PC adapter and not one of them worked.(I like my Clasics as retro gaming controlers and these both work in Windows and RPI)  I then fired up my WII(no small  Feats)and verified none of them work at all. They also all fail on the CMM2. SO, my point here is has anyone found any of the oft-mentioned cheap Numchucks you can just pick up that actually WORKS. I only have one Oregial one and it has seen a lot of wear and tear. So, any link suggestions?


This page describes two methods (called Old and New) of initialising and communicating with these devices (called extension controllers on the page), and that the Old Way will work with Nintendo's own extensions but won't work with third party wireless nunchuks (third party wired nunchuks aren't explicitly mentioned either way)

https://wiibrew.org/wiki/Wiimote/Extension_Controllers

I wonder if that's the issue. I don't know which method the CMM2 uses (though we do have access to send whatever I2C commands we want, if we don't want to use the included wii protocols)

(update: I forgot you said they didn't work on the Wii itself either)


I tested them on 2 Mayflash to usb devices, wired and wireless on pc = no bueno except for one of the 4 working once of a few minuets and then nevermore.  I tested them on the CMM2 and same one worked for a few minutes the never again.  So I think they would be communicating with the I2C in a compatible way but they are just so low quality they came DOA.  Then I dragged out the WII and tested the originals and the crap Numchucks and real ones were just fine and the others DEAD. I try to be thorough when diagnosing stuff.  I was hoping to just report when they found a good device so I might just get one.
 
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There were tons of cheap Chinese nunchuks being sold from China for years. They barely ever worked and even if they did, they weren't reliable. The same thing happened with the classic controller. They're not as unreliable but it's hard to tell if the controller is a classic in a pro shell or not..

I would highly recommend buying official only. Second hand is probably the easiest way, as theres mostly likely tons on eBay. If you're unsure if it's official, post it here and I and others can help identify. Or ask seller to take picture of the model number RVL-004

I will make a comprehensive guide on nunchuk connector controllers soon (still waiting on power to be fixed >_>)
 
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Hi all,
I'm somewhat risk averse (B** Civil Engineer) so can anyone point me towards a potential Nunchuk source in Australia/Melbourne - it needn't be the cheapest but it would be very nice if it worked . . . (all care NO responsibility etc), for example Core Electronics may have one here but they do say "This is a generic Wii Nunchuck controller, Adafruit haven't tried it with a Wii but it does work great with the Video Game shield".

Cheers,

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ebay  au:
REAL:

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Genuine-Nintendo-Wii-RVL-004-Nunchuk/114332632433?hash=item1a9ec18571:g:B5sAAOSwqaRfJPDX

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Genuine-Australian-Nintendo-Wii-Nunchuk-Black-RVL-004/313118037683?hash=item48e74a16b3:g:1YMAAOSw8lte6Xju

UNSURE:

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nintendo-Wii-Nunchuk-Remote-Accessory/353051176681?hash=item52337d6ee9:g:2xIAAOSwnSZelte~

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2x-Genuine-Nintendo-Wii-Nunchuks-Black/324164637938?hash=item4b79b7d4f2:g:2mAAAOSwaTheu3Tc

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nintendo-Wii-Genuine-White-Nunchuck-Nunchuk-Remote-Fast-Free-Postage/324236186881?hash=item4b7dfb9501:g:I58AAOSw-5pe3ECX

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nintendo-Red-Nunchuk-for-Wii/173169115526?epid=535490532&hash=item2851af0186:g:ubsAAOSwbe5ai7iU

FAKE:

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Colorful-Nunchuck-Nunchuk-Video-Controller-Remote-For-Nintendo-Wii-Console-IO/283477690579?hash=item42009648d3:g:ptkAAOSw64ha4FHn

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Rock-Candy-Pink-Nunchuk-For-Nintendo-Wii/313134984676?hash=item48e84cade4:g:3LcAAOSw1NFe~qTY
 
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finaly got good knockoff numchuck from FleaBay and it the the only on I have found that works.  I just ordered 2 more and they are less then $5 new. Quality is good not great and it is odly more stable on the readings form the test program. I hope the news ones are not form some other batch of crap ones.  Well I will be out $10 if they are.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254646376414
 
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@matherp, any chance to make CMM2 compatible with the Classic Pro?

I tried many things with I2C command but it doesn't respond at all.
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Yeah I think I got the same classic controllers you got. No analog on the two shoulder triggers but otherwise they work fine and I tend to use that and prefer the feel vs the nunchuk.  I have 4 original nunchucks from my Wii that I can use just in case.
 
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  MauroXavier said  @matherp, any chance to make CMM2 compatible with the Classic Pro?

I tried many things with I2C command but it doesn't respond at all.


Given the rest of this discussion, I suspect you may have a faulty controller. Others have reported what seem to be working Classic Pro's.
 
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  MauroXavier said  @matherp, any chance to make CMM2 compatible with the Classic Pro?

I tried many things with I2C command but it doesn't respond at all.


My Classic Pro works fine with the cmm2, using the controller library
AND the joytest from github here
 
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